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Old 10th Sep 2021, 21:14
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You don't want to reopen that debate! Suffice to say that it is a complex and multi-faceted subject. Brexit was not about trade alone (although you wouldn't guess that from the way it is reported). The federal superstate agenda ("ever closer union") and the unaccountability of EU politicians and institutions were major factors too. There are positives and negatives across the board, but you would be surprised how many think that Brexit is a very good thing.
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A PSO in Finland has been awarded and might give an idea on who will be interested in this one too:


TransAviaBaltika (KTB, Kaunas) has been awarded a EUR5.7 million (USD6.7 million) Finnish domestic public service obligation (PSO) route to handle traffic between Helsinki Vantaa and the town of Savonlinna in the south-east of the country, the transport agency Traficom has revealed.

The deal, whose costs will be borne equally by both the Finnish state and the municipality of Savonlinna of 32,700 inhabitants, cover the period from October 4 this year to December 20, 2024. The route is not currently served, according to the ch-aviation capacities module, and was last operated as a scheduled passenger service before the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, courtesy of Latvia’s RAF-Avia (MTL, Riga).

TransAviaBaltika will operate the same number of frequencies as before - two daily round-trip flights on weekdays, with the exception of Fridays when one will take place.

“A regular air traffic connection is perceived as very important for international industry and business life in Savonlinna as air traffic resumes after a stop of more than a year and a return to normal air traffic begins. Likewise, this continuation of air traffic guarantees the year-round operation of Savonlinna Airport and we can launch, for example, the marketing of charter flights on this basis,” said Jarmo Häkkinen, business director at Savonlinna municipality.

However, Traficom’s director, Pipsa Eklund, told the Finnish broadcaster Yle that no large-scale flow of passengers is expected and that the minimum requirement for the type of aircraft had been reduced to 19 seats.

“We have estimated the number of passengers at five to ten passengers per plane,” she said.

Traficom received seven tender applications, of which the lowest-priced offer won. Despite the limited passenger expectations, the number of offers was a positive surprise, she added.

The tender was announced on June 29 with a deadline of August 30. According to a document detailing the procurement decision, six of the seven were found to meet the conditions of the competition, none of which were Finnish. They provided the following offers, explaining TransAviaBaltika’s victory:TransAviaBaltika operates three Let 410 and two Jetstream 31/2 turboprops, according to its website.

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Old 4th Oct 2021, 17:56
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Emerald Airlines to lease four aircraft from NAC

EMERALD Airlines, Conor McCarthy’s start-up carrier that will operate the Aer Lingus Regional service, has agreed to lease four aircraft from Limerick-based lessor Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC).
Emerald has committed to the lease deal for the turboprop ATR 72-600 aircraft as the carrier gears up to launch services after receiving its air operator certificate last month.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-40915150.html

This brings up the number of ATR 72-600 to 10

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Old 21st Nov 2021, 21:51
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First Emerald Airlines ATR 72-600 Painted in Aer Lingus Regional Livery (EI-GPP)
Seems to be in Blue,White and Green Colours

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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 13:13
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Think the flash / night makes it look blue, its the "green" EI are using....

EI-GPP Aer Lingus Regional ATR 72-600 (72-212A) Photo by Bradley Bygrave | ID 1223183 | Planespotters.net
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Yes, waiting anxiously
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Old 10th Dec 2021, 16:37
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Anyone know more details about a UK AOC?
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Old 12th Dec 2021, 10:48
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Must be on the cards see they looking flight crew and cabin crew for Belfast. A bit of a two fingers to BE. I suppose the race to the bottom will begin in ernist in new year see you can run who off what routes.
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Does anyone know which Uk routes they will be operating on behalf of Aer Lingus?
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Apperantly all the old Stobart ones
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Old 12th Dec 2021, 22:02
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I assume they'll also be the front-runners to operate the DUB-CFN route once the short-term contract that was awarded to Amapola Flyg comes to an end and they'll also probably take on DUB-KIR if/when Ryanair decides to stop operating a B737 on this route as it'll more than likely then revert back to a Public Service Obligation (PSO) contract?
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Old 12th Dec 2021, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
Apperantly all the old Stobart ones
From the DUB perhaps… all the others are to be confirmed/decided
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Does anyone know which Uk routes they will be operating on behalf of Aer Lingus?
Well Ryanair are making sure they don't get too many ides about BHX routes - First Shannon, then Cork and now Knock twice a week from 29th March. Never thought I would say this but ideal operator for the route and right frequency.

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Originally Posted by Jamesair1
Does anyone know which Uk routes they will be operating on behalf of Aer Lingus?
I’d say entirely dependent on the rate of recovery from COVID. If Omicron sets things back significantly Aer Lingus and Cityflyer may want to continue using their own fleet on the Belfast network for want of anything better to do with those aircraft. If the business environment for airlines improves significantly, maybe they will vacate those routes for others to operate.

As Emerald are only a franchise, and not part of IAG. It would make no economic sense to vacate the Belfast network and hand that work over to a 3rd party operation, even if painted in Aer Lingus colours, and have IAG owned and operated aircraft sit idle as a result. To say nothing of some of the revenue going to a 3rd party also.
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Well Ryanair are making sure they don't get too many ides about BHX routes - First Shannon, then Cork and now Knock twice a week from 29th March. Never thought I would say this but ideal operator for the route and right frequency.

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My take on this is that if Emerald is headed for a similar fleet size to what Stobart had, and now supposing a sizeable BHD operation combined with the DUB network, it is argueable that routes to/from Cork, or Shannon would be less a priority. Pre pandemic Stobart had the fleet fully operational without a BHD operation and had about 24 EI routes, argueable to say that Ryanair can get on with it. Knock wasn't a likely destination. Perhaps Ryanair sensed that Flybe might add Knock Birmingham and decided to have it for themselves. Ryanair has always been very kind to Knock and supported the airport through thick and thin.
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If you think the EI franchise even in good times was a "bad contract" what are they going to make of it now... as with the franchise the commercial risk is with Emerald and still 12 months to go till start. The three units GPN/O/P are just doing some crew training flights by the seems of it... cash out to the max this.. in SEP21 McCarthy said 16M was in the bank account... would love to know how much he has drained in 3 months..
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Old 15th Dec 2021, 19:37
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They are sufficiently astute as to be well ahead of the issue you highlight, and only on the hook for full outgoings for the aircraft once they start generating revenue. And when you've got your own engineers to look after them, incremental cost isn't huge there either. Main outlay will be on salaries for management and the limited number of crews already on payroll but I'm pretty sure their outgoings will be only as much as they expected them to be.

Has anyone actually said the EI franchise was a "bad contract"? I'm not sure they have.

Tomorrow is another day - but perhaps slightly more than that if you're Emerald. Let's see whether there is genuinely a year to wait until they get flying in earnest....

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Old 15th Dec 2021, 20:08
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Has anyone actually said the EI franchise was a "bad contract"? I'm not sure they have.
Stobart where only flying the EI contract and went bust, but..

Let's see whether there is genuinely a year to wait until they get flying in earnest....
Thought the ATR's were in the summer schedule?

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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Stobart where only flying the EI contract and when bust, but..
Stobart were not flying only the EI contract.

They also had an extensive network under the BE franchise with problematic EMB 195s in the fleet but it was really the liabilities that existed within the ATR fleet leases that resulted in the liquidation of Stobart Air. Esken still carry some of those contingent liabilities today.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
Stobart were not flying only the EI contract.

They also had an extensive network under the BE franchise with problematic EMB 195s in the fleet but it was really the liabilities that existed within the ATR fleet leases that resulted in the liquidation of Stobart Air. Esken still carry some of those contingent liabilities today.
They dabbled in a number of ventures - most of them short term - but the major core of the business was the EI contract, and for long periods of time the only part of the business.

Presumably Emerald won't have the same ATR lease issues?
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