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Originally Posted by Alteagod
Rumours that BA airframe will operate EI LHR for winter not Emerald ex BHD.
It’s always been an Aer Lingus ‘mainline’ route using an A320. Neither Emerald or Stobart have ever operated to LHR under the Aer Lingus Regional franchise.
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I think it was suggested more as a paperwork excercise for EI mainline to use Gemstone call sign rather than Shamrock rather than actual Emerald airframes but who knows. Aviation is just getting weirdly weird every day!
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Emerald Airlines UK
I have noticed that EI-GZY on jethroseu is on UK AOC and is registered G-CMJN
Checked caa g-info G-CMJN was registered 30th Sep
looks possible that Emerald Airlines UK might start at the end of the month?
as C of A Issue is 5th Oct
Checked caa g-info G-CMJN was registered 30th Sep
looks possible that Emerald Airlines UK might start at the end of the month?
as C of A Issue is 5th Oct
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Originally Posted by zapo
Emerald had the UK AOC granted this afternoon.
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Originally Posted by jethro15
If correct (I cannot confirm), wait until Tue/Wed next week when they publish such info.
Would somebody be kind enough to explain why Emerald has both a UK and Irish AOC ? I understand a UK AOC might be required to fly UK mainland to/from Belfast... but if they have a UK AOC, why do they need to retain an Irish AOC ? Or are they planning to fly from the Republic to places like France ? Will UK-Ireland flights remain on the Irish AOC, or will they switch to the UK AOC ?
Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Would somebody be kind enough to explain why Emerald has both a UK and Irish AOC ? I understand a UK AOC might be required to fly UK mainland to/from Belfast... but if they have a UK AOC, why do they need to retain an Irish AOC ? Or are they planning to fly from the Republic to places like France ? Will UK-Ireland flights remain on the Irish AOC, or will they switch to the UK AOC ?
Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
Emerald will have bases in both Ireland and the UK so will require both AOCs. Once UK AOC obtained we will see more aircraft transferred from the irish register to the UK reg.
Hope that clears up your query......
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It is a bit simpler than that (the term 'base' can be a bit of a minefield!)
Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)
Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)
Originally Posted by sewushr
It is a bit simpler than that (the term 'base' can be a bit of a minefield!)
Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)
Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
DJ6 is right, Emerald could operate out of both Dublin and Belfast to the UK using their UK AOC, suspect it's more a case of timing in that the Irish AOC was in motion before the idea of a Belfast base (and thus the need for a UK AOC) came into being.
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Emerald is the operator of the Carrickfinn PSO and has to have an EU AOC to bid and fly that - they couldn't do that on a UK AOC and if they have designs on other operations like DUB-Rennes which Aer Arann/Stobart did for several years, they would need the EU AOC there also.
However you can have a UK base without having a UK AOC. Ryanair has several UK bases at which it has EI- aircraft only and SAS Link is an Irish-registered operator flying on behalf of SAS from a Heathrow base. You just can't fly UK domestics or from the UK to a non-EU country (unless air services agreements permit) on that basis.
However you can have a UK base without having a UK AOC. Ryanair has several UK bases at which it has EI- aircraft only and SAS Link is an Irish-registered operator flying on behalf of SAS from a Heathrow base. You just can't fly UK domestics or from the UK to a non-EU country (unless air services agreements permit) on that basis.
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Originally Posted by jethro15
If correct (I cannot confirm), wait until Tue/Wed next week when they publish such info.
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The recent cancellations were due to crew being transferred to the UK AOC, so that they'd be ready to start operations when the AOC was issued, which was slightly delayed.
Unfortunately this meant they couldn't fly on the Irish AOC
Unfortunately this meant they couldn't fly on the Irish AOC
