Emerald Airlines
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Does anyone know the timescales for an airline to obtain a UK AOC to operate within the UK? Is there a deadline that Emerald are working towards or should this AOC technically already be in place?
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The ATR is a little slower, but over the Irish Sea it's not a huge difference, however the assertion the Q400 is quieter ... couldn't be more wrong. The new ATR-600s have the most comfortable and quiet cabin in the 70 seat-ish seat turboprop class ... it's a remarkably comfortable aircraft for the passenger. The Q400 is a bit of a misnomer as it's loud!
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
I do find it a bit strange that Aer Lingus doesn't want them to operate back at Cork like they did pre Covid as there routes always used to be quite busy to Bristol, Birmingham etc,. It's certainly not something that's going to be sustainable with a 189 seater 737 by Ryanair but I'm sure a fountain of knowledge will tell me otherwise. Although I'd much rather it was Flybe as I prefer them and the Q400 to an ATR.
Would it be worth Emerald's time to base a single ATR at Cork to serve the likes of EMA, LBA, GLA, BRS and CWL? Without a trunk route like BHX or MAN, Im not sure they could make it work?
I imagine their focus will be on buying a reliable operation at DUB and doing their best to defend against flyBE at BHD for the foreseeable. Why draw Ryanair on themselves at ORK?
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Why would Emerald go against Flybe, when the same company owns Exeter Aerospace and Flybe is one of their biggest customers? Remember Emeralds owner main business is MRO not airline.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Why would Emerald go against Flybe, when the same company owns Exeter Aerospace and Flybe is one of their biggest customers? Remember Emeralds owner main business is MRO not airline.
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Originally Posted by oapilot
Alternatively, why would Flybe go against Emerald. Ownership is academic - Flybe are owned by venture capitalists. I don’t see Emeralds owners are in this for something to do in their spare time.
Currently operated by Emerald Airways, previously operated by Stobart Air, and after their demise jointly by Aer Lingus mainline and BA Cityflyer pending Emerald getting going. Emerald and Flybe’s ownership are secondary to the fact that it’s a franchise operation for Aer Lingus that pre-dates the formation of Emerald.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Very good point. Likewise I would say Flybe don't want to go up against Emerald which is why they aren't competing with that on that many routes. Cyrus have experience across the world at starting and operating airlines. I would imagine their long term goal will be to expand the airline, grow the business and eventually look to sell it on.
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Emerald are to launch their own handling agent at Dublin Airport in the coming months. It is believed that the reason for this is to offset the lack of staff and corresponding delays their current handling agent has encountered this summer.
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Sorry but suggesting Emerald is aimed more at business types on loyalty schemes is
misleading. Those are competitve advantages but they're both going after the same market, make no mistake. It's like say BA and easyJet go after different markets out of LGW, they really don't. Flybe are not aiming to be COMPLIMENTARY in markets where there's likely only room for one....
misleading. Those are competitve advantages but they're both going after the same market, make no mistake. It's like say BA and easyJet go after different markets out of LGW, they really don't. Flybe are not aiming to be COMPLIMENTARY in markets where there's likely only room for one....
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
There was also going to be a crossover in routes an like others have said how much influence does Emerald actually have on the route network for it's Aer Lingus franchise? Probably not a lot.
routes, compete directly with EI mainline. If you were Emerald you wouldn’t limit your business opportunities by allowing EI that level of control unless they had some form of ownership, surely?
The whole point of a franchise is that the operating business carries the risk for the operation but pays a proportion of revenue to the brand holder for services such as reservations and customer service. At least that’s my experience. The brand holder has very limited control as that would be seen as anti-competitive.
The fight between Flybe and Emerald is just that. I’d be astonished if Aer Lingus opened a cheque book in support if Emerald needed it and it would be very hard to believe that they’d bail out any of Emeralds losses in BHD, after all, they certainly didn’t help Stobart.
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Yes and no about Emerald - a lot of the routes are ones deemed too thin for an A320, and EI's publicly stated intention when creating EIR was to grow markets to a point.where EI could take them over and provide additional frequency on some routes - a lot of the aim is transatlantic feed and that's directly a requirement of EI.
You have to remember the BE brand was on these BHD routes way back, it's really well known here and they're basically only trying to take back the same business they had previously - IAG came in new to the routes as a result of BE going bust. Also BE historically had for instance 7x daily rotations BHD to BHX and MAN, so adding what they have now + EIR really only adds up to the same or less frequency/capacity - it's not perhaps the dog fight it's being made out to be.
You have to remember the BE brand was on these BHD routes way back, it's really well known here and they're basically only trying to take back the same business they had previously - IAG came in new to the routes as a result of BE going bust. Also BE historically had for instance 7x daily rotations BHD to BHX and MAN, so adding what they have now + EIR really only adds up to the same or less frequency/capacity - it's not perhaps the dog fight it's being made out to be.
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Except that the working model.of people attending meetings face to face has changed dramatically but operating flights to same place 5 or ten minutes apart just splits the load and does not add anything to flexibility when travelling but basically your point is well taken
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
Except that the working model.of people attending meetings face to face has changed dramatically but operating flights to same place 5 or ten minutes apart just splits the load and does not add anything to flexibility when travelling but basically your point is well taken
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
what’s left for Emerald to cover from UK-Ireland?
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Originally Posted by cornishsimon
dont think any of the ATR operation has resumed @ ORK
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