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Old 15th Aug 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by toledoashley View Post
The Irish routes were especially popular with Americans, although Irish preferred to fly with Aer Lingus - so maybe that was a part of play. However, Norwegian’s line is that it isn’t profitable running them with weight restricted 737-800’s and there is no certainty in the MAX situation - so they would rather cancel them.
Its a shame that all Trans Atlantic Norwegian routes have been cancelled from Ireland, its an interesting model, but even with the MAX is challenged by poor utilisation. I think that just leaves the LGW operations? Ireland is a tough market with Aer Lingus (IAG) at one end with two-class A330/321/757s and the US3 at the other. EI and AA will likely have their JV in place from next summer. Wit the DL/VS/AF/KL and StarJV Point-to-Point service between secondary markets is a tough sell and fares are rock bottom this winter - I think the narrow-body operations might have a better chance flying into a US hub, or Dublin.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:43
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Its a shame that all Trans Atlantic Norwegian routes have been cancelled from Ireland, its an interesting model, but even with the MAX is challenged by poor utilisation. I think that just leaves the LGW operations? Ireland is a tough market with Aer Lingus (IAG) at one end with two-class A330/321/757s and the US3 at the other. EI and AA will likely have their JV in place from next summer. Wit the DL/VS/AF/KL and StarJV Point-to-Point service between secondary markets is a tough sell and fares are rock bottom this winter - I think the narrow-body operations might have a better chance flying into a US hub, or Dublin.
i think that BFS will be the surprise one to profit from all the eggs in one basket, all they need to do is market themselves correct and get the finger out to spend some money!, scotsman in charge always worrying lol
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 14:51
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Originally Posted by 2Para View Post
I wouldn't think it is a weight restriction issue, more like a range issue.
Same - more weight/payload (pax/cargo) loaded (ie wanting to take a full load of 189 pax non-stop) means less range available as more fuel is needed -- or you are TO weight restricted due any airport/runway limitations/WAT -

The 737 is not a Transatlantic load and long hauler LOL
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator View Post
Not sure if that's true. Wet lease has been brought in to make sure people get their holidays.
You miss the point. TUI make money from the WHOLE package whereas Norwegian just have the flight i.e. TUI make money on resort spend, excursions, transfers etc etc
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 20:43
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Originally Posted by toledoashley View Post
The Irish routes were especially popular with Americans, although Irish preferred to fly with Aer Lingus - so maybe that was a part of play. However, Norwegian’s line is that it isn’t profitable running them with weight restricted 737-800’s and there is no certainty in the MAX situation - so they would rather cancel them.
At the moment there is a recession happening, warning signs have been there for a while. Max issue allows a withdrawal from the market, maybe to return on another occasion or another operator to do so.

Indebtedness is worse than 2008, company debt is worse, national debt is worse and western world is slipping into a recession.

Max issue will help a lot of companies because it allows consolidation of routes and more importantly Boeing will be paying a lot of cash out.
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Its a shame that all Trans Atlantic Norwegian routes have been cancelled from Ireland, its an interesting model, but even with the MAX is challenged by poor utilisation. I think that just leaves the LGW operations? Ireland is a tough market with Aer Lingus (IAG) at one end with two-class A330/321/757s and the US3 at the other. EI and AA will likely have their JV in place from next summer. Wit the DL/VS/AF/KL and StarJV Point-to-Point service between secondary markets is a tough sell and fares are rock bottom this winter - I think the narrow-body operations might have a better chance flying into a US hub, or Dublin.
what did that mean Brian_dromey, 'that just leaves the LGW opetations'?

Norwegian have a very extensive operation across the Atlantic from many cities like Paris, Amsterdam, Barcelona etc. Mostly centred on NYC and West Coast.
​​​​​​Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 08:36
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Originally Posted by 2Para View Post
i think that BFS will be the surprise one to profit from all the eggs in one basket, all they need to do is market themselves correct and get the finger out to spend some money!, scotsman in charge always worrying lol
How do you figure that BFS will benefit from this?
It would be great if only it were true. Sadly, the long standing 757 run on UA didn't make a satisfactory return on investment and Norwegian were out like a shot. Norwegian have traditionally not been one to cut routes, but they didn't give BFS much time, that speaks volumes.

The bulk of NI passengers go to Dublin, enjoy US immigration preclearance and fly non-stop. Some go via LHR or AMS and some via MAN and LGW. I was on Aer Lingus BHD LHR and there were lots of passengers on the early flight going via LHR to the US...

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Old 17th Aug 2019, 10:03
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
How do you figure that BFS will benefit from this?
It would be great if only it were true. Sadly, the long standing 757 run on UA didn't make a satisfactory return on investment and Norwegian were out like a shot. Norwegian have traditionally not been one to cut routes, but they didn't give BFS much time, that speaks volumes.

The bulk of NI passengers go to Dublin, enjoy US immigration preclearance and fly non-stop. Some go via LHR or AMS and some via MAN and LGW. I was on Aer Lingus BHD LHR and there were lots of passengers on the early flight going via LHR to the US...

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fair enough, but aer lingus managed a split run for years, i suppose in todays loco days 2 landing fees and 2 handling fees just won't work.
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 15:24
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For how many years did Aer Lingus manage a Split Run​​​​ (by which I presume you mean flights originating in DUB and BFS meeting in SNN to swop onward pax to JFK and BOS)?
I only recall using it once.
For me, transatlantic from DUB is a no-brainer, although I did occasionally depart DUB and return to BFS (Continental/UA) to have local immigration/customs and short journey home on return
IMHO, there simply is no sustainable BFS transatlantic market other than a few summer holiday jaunts.
I think the carriers have established that as a fact
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 08:40
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Airline Routes reporting this morning what could almost be described as a "cull" of their short-haul routes, some suspended and some cancelled. This suggests that they have far too many routes that are unsustainable from a financial point of view. Assuming that they will be either grounding or returning some of their aircraft to the leasing companies.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:02
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Or that they’re cutting routes which don’t make money in the winter, like most other airlines in Europe?

Why is everything Norwegian do seen as a big deal on the Internet?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 12:46
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Many of the routes that are discontinued/not returning are the winter sun routes from Europe down to the Canary Islands, not ones you would expect to be cut.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 13:18
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Originally Posted by FFHKG View Post
Many of the routes that are discontinued/not returning are the winter sun routes from Europe down to the Canary Islands, not ones you would expect to be cut.
Well it wasn't too long ago I was on a flight from Manchester to Tenerife with Norwegian in November and only 12 people onboard...
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