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Old 17th Mar 2020, 00:32
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Newark being dropped permanently it seems. Itís where it all began but with Delta at JFK, thereís just no love there.
Having read just read that on business traveler it's a shame due to the history but sort of inevitable under the circumstances. But in all honesty I'm not too surprised especially since the Delta Virgin JV, guess it makes sense to concentrate at JFK.

I wonder if British Airways will pull out of Newark next.

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Old 17th Mar 2020, 21:33
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In the longer term, I would expect BA to stay with EWR. Look what happened when VS pulled out of CPT? BA still ruling that roost, it's been a cash cow for them.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 07:59
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In the longer term, I would expect BA to stay with EWR. Look what happened when VS pulled out of CPT? BA still ruling that roost, it's been a cash cow for them.
But Cape Town is a high demand leisure route especially during the northern winter season. Virgin Atlantic were foolish to abandon Cape Town in the first place leaving the route as a monopoly to British Airways especially after South African had axed their LHR flight. VS must have known that there was demand for Cape Town due the airline's data along with any connections on their Johannesburg flight.

Newark is a rather different story to Cape Town though. New York have two major international gateways serving the city whereas as Cape Town only has one.

VS returning to Cape Town was inevitable in my opinion.

With VS axing Newark it's not leaving the route as a monopoly to British Airways in the same way as leaving Cape Town was.

Newark and JFK are basically two New York airport's serving the same city.

Newark basically serves the metropolitan area of New York City. VS and BA already have a large presence at New York JFK. With VS axing Newark and concentrating their New York flights at JFK in cooperation with Delta there is nothing stopping BA doing the same especially as they have American Airlines as their JV partner at JFK.

Either way New York as a destination will still be served.

With VS axing Newark it's not leaving British Airways as a monopoly on LHR.

Let's not forget that United Airlines operate LHR-EWR so Newark will still have a LHR connection. If British Airways did follow suit and axe Newark it will be United Airlines who will have the monopoly on LHR to Newark.

It's no different to British Airways axing LGW to JFK and concentrating their New York flights at LHR.

With VS shortly resuming LGW to New York JFK I wonder if this route will still commence, same with Delta on LGW to Boston.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 18:33
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According to the BBC, Virgin Atlantic are going to ask for an enormous bailout at the start of next week.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 18:44
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According to the BBC, Virgin Atlantic are going to ask for an enormous bailout at the start of next week.
From which government? Antigua?
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 19:30
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Well, they can ask but might not get the answer they are hoping for!
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 20:09
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If any bailout is considered it should come with the condition of setting up shop in the UK.
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Old 27th Mar 2020, 23:59
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From which government? Antigua?
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Indeed. I have concerns about their future. HOPING against hope they get help.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52066640






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Old 28th Mar 2020, 00:16
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The government should not bail out VS. If they need money so quickly they either don’t want to spend their own cash reserves, don’t have any cash reserves and/or their shareholders don’t want to put their own money into the airline in case it still fails..

For the number of jobs they would save the money would be better spent propping up small businesses.

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Old 28th Mar 2020, 00:24
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The government should not bail out VS. If they need money so quickly they either don’t want to spend their own cash reserves, don’t have any cash reserves and/or their shareholders don’t want to put their own money into the airline in case it still fails..

For the number of jobs they would save the money would be better spent propping up small businesses.
Did you read the BBC link:-

"The airline's founder Sir Richard Branson this week offered to inject £250 million into the Virgin Group, with most of that amount going to the airline."
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 00:53
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£250 million will not last long. I hate to see VS go under and those subsidised Middle East carriers survive. But that appears to be what will happen. Maybe VS should look to the Chinese to buy a chunk of them.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 02:02
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One thing is certain and that is that Richard Branson and Virgin Atlantic (mainly Branson but heís strongly associated with the brand) have been berated for putting their staff on unpaid leave despite Bransonís widely reported wealth. Of course, Iím sure many will book with them (if they survive) imminently after restrictions are lifted but there have been many calls to boycott Virgin Atlantic (along with other businesses like Wetherspoons, Arcadia, Sports Direct, Gordon Ramsay) so this could potentially be a factor.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 02:06
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Shareholders and directors have amassed huge wealth to the detriment of their hardworking employees. They treat their employees with contempt and then have the cheek to ask the govt for help?? Greed has gone too far!
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 05:54
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Originally Posted by Groundloop View Post
Did you read the BBC link:-

"The airline's founder Sir Richard Branson this week offered to inject £250 million into the Virgin Group, with most of that amount going to the airline."
Like they did with Flybe and we know how that ended. Bailouts should be linked to money spent vs jobs saved. Say they need 762 million to keep going, this would equate to £100,000 per job as they only have 7620 employees. I would imagine most of their routes are duplicated anyway. Of course the airline supports other jobs around the world but it is not for the U.K. to save the world.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 06:57
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Where is Delta's contribution in all this? I thought they owned 49% of VS.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 07:05
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Delta right now are thinking about their own survival and trying to avoid bankruptcy
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 07:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Of course the airline supports other jobs around the world but it is not for the U.K. to save the world.
Although of course the Germans have supported TUI which will safeguard a huge number of jobs here so there has to be some degree of give and take
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 08:27
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Virgin bailout?

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According to the BBC, Virgin Atlantic are going to ask for an enormous bailout at the start of next week.
Well a good start would be to offer to repatriate UK citizens currently stuck abroad rather than leave their planes grounded on the tarmac and crews sitting at home.

If Branson and co. want socialist solutions to bail out their airline then can start by applying a bit of socialism to others.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 08:56
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Branson has probally caught an almighty cold with his Cruise ship.Lets see that on the market before he gets anything from the taxpayers.
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Old 28th Mar 2020, 09:15
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Might have hoped that over 30 years the company would have built a degree of resilience against a rainy day and yes I appreciate these are not normal circumstances and it is a bl88dy monsoon!
Sorry if VS go for all the staff but honestly see no reason why they should be an exception to the dozens of other travel companies and thousands of other businesses big and small that will go to the wall.
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