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Where have read that it states that the car park which will be in front of the new terminal building will be for Stobart HQ office staff, i must have missed that bit in the planning documentation.
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I’m actually putting my hat in the ring for Firnas.
New start up that will be looking for incentives to help them start up. They have an emphasis of wanting to serve ‘unserved’ routes, will use the J41 so ideal for Carlisle and so on. They need to put their aircraft somewhere and can’t think of many other unserved UK domestic routes that would be an obvious fit for them?
New start up that will be looking for incentives to help them start up. They have an emphasis of wanting to serve ‘unserved’ routes, will use the J41 so ideal for Carlisle and so on. They need to put their aircraft somewhere and can’t think of many other unserved UK domestic routes that would be an obvious fit for them?
Stobart Air have been awarded funding to operate the flights, so they need to do so under their own name, but that doesn't stop them from outsourcing the actual flying. The smallest plane in the Stobart fleet is an ATR42, which is a big plane to fill from Carlisle. Outsourcing to a J31/J42 or Saab 340 makes sense. If not Firnas, perhaps Loganair or Eastern.
I had assumed that the Dublin link would be linked into the Aer Lingus franchise to allow interlining, if so presumably they would have an interest in what was being operated in their name also.
The flights will likely operate under the Stobart name. It's possible a deal may be done to interline with Aer Lingus, they certainly have an established relationship, and in future if the flights perform well Aer Lingus may choose to take on the route.
Work has started on the foundations for the new terminal building:
https://twitter.com/carlisleairport
https://twitter.com/carlisleairport
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A very informative post from nighthawk117. I believe he is spot on in his first sentence - last paragraph. Recent PR releases at SEN have given equal prominence to Stobart Air as Flybe. I think next year will see a concerted effort to promote Stobart as an up front airline, not just as an aircraft operator that relies on others' brands and marketing.
It will be very small scale, but in my view that's the direction they are going.
It will be very small scale, but in my view that's the direction they are going.
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Are you sure about that? My understanding was that it's a franchise deal, i.e. Aer Lingus takes control of all marketing and ticket sales, but Stobart ultimately decides where/when to fly (obviously in discussion with Aer Lingus) and takes the commercial risk.
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This is how I believe it is. However if it is as nighthawk117 says then all I can say it's nice work for Stobart if they can get it. I can think of a few others who would like to operate that way.
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It's actually a combination of the two. Some routes are driven by Stobart with EI approval for the brand, and sometimes EI ask Stobart to operate on their behalf if they want a presence on a route. It's a two way relationship.
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J41 or ATR42
You would hope that when the flights start in June 2018 that they will have more than 29 passengers each way on the routes, then they wont have to operate on the j41 that has been mentioned, surely they will have enough passengers to be starting with the ATR42 as also mentioned in the article.
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If it's a route EI want then it's usually a different model, or at least it has been in the past. The majority of routes are now established and at stobarts risk but over the last couple of years they have done a few that EI asked and EI covered the risk
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Having a look through some of the pics on the airports FB site, anyone remember the year that a Balkan Antonov 12 landed? And also a British Midland 737 (I suspect 1992ish for this one?)
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