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highwideandugly 29th Sep 2016 19:31

Carlisle.
 
Can't find the old thread..but does anyone know what is going on here?

Promise of airport,runway,terminal and schedule flight expansion by Stobarts..but can't find any concrete(pun..sorry) news?

Flights supposed to start now,soon,or when?

rowly6339 29th Sep 2016 19:32

Nothing is happening, they wanted the airport just to build the warehouse that is now up and running.

buzz_hornet 30th Sep 2016 10:35

didnt they have a keen interest in starting routes. for example belfast was listed as a potential through the route development scheme

highwideandugly 30th Sep 2016 20:46

So is there any pressure from the local authorities against Stobarts? Thought the Westmorland press would have picked this up!!!
Most sensible people thought a thriving airport would never happen,but I seem to remember most were shot down by the blinkered!
What ever happened to the local farmers who saw through the smoke screen?

nighthawk117 3rd Oct 2016 08:10

It's thanks to these local farmers that we don't have a new runway. The original planning consent stated that Stobart must improve the runway first before work could start on their warehouse.

Now thanks to their constant winging, Stobart have been able to construct their warehouse without spending a penny on the airport. At least under the original scheme we would have gained some improved infrastructure that would actually be capable of handling flights if anyone ever decided they wanted to give it a shot.

rowly6339 3rd Oct 2016 18:11

TBF why would anyone give it a shot, what routes could possibly be worth running from CAX?

mwm991 3rd Oct 2016 18:12

Absolutely no need for Carlisle on a commercial basis.

nighthawk117 6th Oct 2016 08:05

FlyBE to Heathrow?

FlyBE are backing a 3rd runway at heathrow, and in support yesterday published the following proposed route map that they could operate if the runway was approved:

https://i1.wp.com/www.thecourier.co....20%2C372&ssl=1

davidjohnson6 6th Oct 2016 09:29

If Flybe are going to enter fantasy land, surely they could propose nonstop flights between Heathrow and bothe Orkney and Shetland as well

01475 6th Oct 2016 12:36

Most of them. .. maybe; probably. But Doncaster and Norwich???

highwideandugly 4th Nov 2016 17:43

Hi guys..must be time for an update?

I had on very...good authority that the airport would close for a few months for runway/airfield improvements? What happened?? Have they started?
Schedules..can't start until those improvements begin?
City Jet at Southend...any hope for EGNC??

What do the locals(farmers). Actually think will happen...or have Stobarts done the dirty (probably expected) and 'will eventually have their day?

Fairdealfrank 6th Nov 2016 19:12


If Flybe are going to enter fantasy land, surely they could propose nonstop flights between Heathrow and bothe Orkney and Shetland as well

Most of them. .. maybe; probably. But Doncaster and Norwich???
Not as silly as it sounds to some. BE are building up a network at LCY with some destinations that many would not have predicted, and have applied to use Northolt to do similar on a smaller scale, but that was rejected.

There is also the liklihood that with increased expense, congestion, overcrowding and hassle of surface transport, domestic air travel will be increasing attractive and convenient, especially for those not going city centre to city centre and/or those connecting to/from overseas destinations.

With a third rwy at Heathrow, slots are allocated 50% to new carriers and 50% to incumbents. The secondary slot market that keeps carriers out of Heathrow diappears. Beyond that, much would depend on Heathrow airport charges and whether some routes could be operated on a PSO basis or supported by the Regional Airport Connectivity Fund (there'll also be no EU interference by then).

Also, BE has exactly the right sized aircraft to operate these thinner domestic routes. The BE map shows none of trunk routes operated by BA (and previously also operated by BD). Maybe it is leaving those routes to U2 with its larger aircraft, as U2 also supports Heathrow expansion and has stated that it would have a base there. Could see stiff competition for BE from BA and/or U2 on the Jersey route, but not on the others.

As for Norwich, perhaps not so daft as it may sound at first glance, surface connections between there and Heathrow are difficult. Surprised not see Newquay on the list considering the word "potential" was used on the map.

As the word "potential"is used on the map, maybe all those routes won't materialise. Some of the airports may have closed, if not, a Heathrow link would be a vital lifeline.

Nevertheless, like the look of it, hope to live long enough........

rowly6339 5th Dec 2016 20:32

Logistics Manager


Who said they only wanted the airport to build a big warehouse?:)

SWBKCB 5th Dec 2016 20:42

So they want to build a big warehouse and some smaller warehouses? :ok:

highwideandugly 5th Dec 2016 22:06

Oh dear..as we have all suspected..the future is a massive logistics/transport area..the people of Carlisle and the area have been lead up the garden path..DTV I fear will follow suit?

Amazed the local press garnet picked up on this?

Harry Wayfarers 6th Dec 2016 00:22


As for Norwich, perhaps not so daft as it may sound at first glance, surface connections between there and Heathrow are difficult.
In the old days Air Anglia operated a PA31 on the NWI/LHR route before Air UK operated a Shed360 HUY/NWI/LHR, i.e, a split load on a Shed.

NWI/AMS has survived all these years because of the, then, poor roads and then no LHR service but since then Norwich has a by-pass, the A11 has been significantly improved, to west London isn't so difficult, many a year since I drove it and I don't have a map to hand but it was down the A11/M11 turning right at Duxford, it might have been the A505 that takes one across country to then connect with the A1(M) or continue going across country to connect with M1 somewhere around Luton, it was quite a pleasant drive as drives go.

NorthSouth 6th Dec 2016 09:21

I think you must have been away a long time! Halfway round the M25 isn't in my "pleasant" book.
I'm sure the reason NWI-AMS has survived all these years is 90% to do with the Southern North Sea gas industry, not the difficulty of road connections to Heathrow.

Harry Wayfarers 6th Dec 2016 11:54


I think you must have been away a long time! Halfway round the M25 isn't in my "pleasant" book.
M1 to M4 is not much more than a stone's throw!


I'm sure the reason NWI-AMS has survived all these years is 90% to do with the Southern North Sea gas industry, not the difficulty of road connections to Heathrow.
You worked for Air UK and/or KLM UK did you?

canberra97 6th Dec 2016 13:02

You obviously dong drive around the M25 very often I can assure you it's NOT a comfortable drive, EVERY day and I mean EVERY day there is major congestion between the M25/M4 junction upto the M25/M1 junction regardless of the day but obviously even more so during peak times.

The M1 to M4 is a stones throw you say well I would like to see you throw a stone between those two junctions it's not that close especially when your travelling about 20 to 30 miles an hour in congested traffic.

A pathetic statement on your behalf and I suggest you drive that route again which you found so comfortable as it must have been a long time since you last did.

KelvinD 6th Dec 2016 13:51

Well I have driven that route a number of times over the last month and have to say that, while it is not the best drive in the world it is not the horror show it used to be. Certainly, there are patches of 40 and 50mph, as mandated by the overhead gantries. Once the M40 junction is passed it gets better. My journey is around 70 miles and is generally done in 80 to 90 minutes,
The worst thing about that trip is not the patches of slow going but the muppets who think they can drive but in reality couldn't drive a donkey cart!


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