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With credit to tws123, this schedule has been quoted on the SEN thread - the DUB rotation doesn't look much good for the trans-Atlantic connections which are meant to be one of the benefits of that link?
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Neither is the terminal, with room for about 20 passengers (by my estimates based on the plans).
Why not use Manchester, and take the train straight to the heart of the lakes?
Why not use Manchester, and take the train straight to the heart of the lakes?
I hope people will forgive the cynicism, but I find it rather strange that a route has been announced but no airline has been explicitly mentioned. If it's Stobart that's fine but I really don't understand why this has been left unstated by the press release (s) - almost as if somebody is leaving wiggle room to blame somebody else in case plans should fall through
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Cannot see this being sustainable from Belfast. Most holidaymakers from Northern Ireland, family included, usually travel by boat and car and also take in the Scottish west coast with a few nights in the northern lakes. With multiple sailings from Belfast and Larne to Cairnryan, it's a 75 minute drive.
They will be Stobart flights (they are named of the Regional fund award), what hasn't been decided (announced?) is who will be operating the flights - and it has been previously said that this will be decided in the new year. There isn't anything new in this release, but it seems to be getting good coverage - which presumably is the point.
The airline doesn't really need to be known at this point (no tickets on sale yet ), and that announcement will be another little publicity bump
The airline doesn't really need to be known at this point (no tickets on sale yet ), and that announcement will be another little publicity bump
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I think it can be safely assumed that whoever the airline turns out to be 100% of the commercial risk will sit with Stobart. I have no doubts that it will be Stobart but they may be able to persuade Flybe to stick their code on it which will clearly help matters. The problem will be catchment and market. There unfortunately isn't much of either but the guys at Stobart have a vision of what they want to happen so good luck to them and I hope that they prove me wrong.
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Last edited by fjencl; 27th Jan 2018 at 10:05. Reason: change
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Pretty accurate article...as has been said many times on this thread..history tells us it won’t work.
Catchment area too small and the Lake adistrict a red herring as I would think the majority of uk tourists would use a car to get round,especially with all that walking gear and the Dog!!
Most foreign tourists are on busses..?
Catchment area too small and the Lake adistrict a red herring as I would think the majority of uk tourists would use a car to get round,especially with all that walking gear and the Dog!!
Most foreign tourists are on busses..?
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One thing in that article.. since when did KLM stop flights to and from LBA ?.
Also nothing to stop Stobart operating a Flybe EJET into Amsterdam . The Ejet is small enough it's under the size limit .
Also
It may see DTV style charters.
Plus similar to Irish airports some incoming foreign flights again charters or summer only routes .
If they sold seats to Brits wanting to travel outbound is a different thing .
But the other question should be with a new runway and Terminal .
Will the current Scruffy Business jet ' Terminal ' be smartened up? Is it staying put or sharing with the new operation?.
Seems Cargo is worthwhile.
It's not a desperately short runway.
I do wonder about that figure mentioned of 50,000 pax in the first year is to me a wild dream if they are starting six months in.
DSA has been going Ten years and still people don't realise it's there
Travel to Brampton or from the M6 not a single ' Airport sign or advert anywhere they need to get that sorted in quick time.
It takes highways months to lift a spade
Also nothing to stop Stobart operating a Flybe EJET into Amsterdam . The Ejet is small enough it's under the size limit .
Also
It may see DTV style charters.
Plus similar to Irish airports some incoming foreign flights again charters or summer only routes .
If they sold seats to Brits wanting to travel outbound is a different thing .
But the other question should be with a new runway and Terminal .
Will the current Scruffy Business jet ' Terminal ' be smartened up? Is it staying put or sharing with the new operation?.
Seems Cargo is worthwhile.
It's not a desperately short runway.
I do wonder about that figure mentioned of 50,000 pax in the first year is to me a wild dream if they are starting six months in.
DSA has been going Ten years and still people don't realise it's there
Travel to Brampton or from the M6 not a single ' Airport sign or advert anywhere they need to get that sorted in quick time.
It takes highways months to lift a spade
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I think price is the only thing that gives the SEN route any chance of success.
There appears to be only one train that will get you into London before 10am and it costs over £200. Based on MAN fares a last minute ticket to London via SEN should be around £150 flight + train and really you should get into London by about 9am.
I have my doubts as to whether many people will use the early flight heading north, I also wonder if people will fly down and just get a train back later on.
There appears to be only one train that will get you into London before 10am and it costs over £200. Based on MAN fares a last minute ticket to London via SEN should be around £150 flight + train and really you should get into London by about 9am.
I have my doubts as to whether many people will use the early flight heading north, I also wonder if people will fly down and just get a train back later on.
The usual pre-occupation with getting to and from city centres. Big place London!
Plenty of other errors in the article, though the general gist isn't far off. I don't see any sort of cargo operation.
Plenty of other errors in the article, though the general gist isn't far off. I don't see any sort of cargo operation.
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Has anyone considered the fact that they (Stobart) would use it for flying staff from HQ to their London airport for meetings and the like, they do it with the MAN-SEN flights.
