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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 12:03
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Are there any expansion plans for new or existing routes from CAX?
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 12:51
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Don’t be silly !
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 13:32
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Seems to be several folk wanting this venture to fail. A shame that
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 15:00
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Seems to be several folk wanting this venture to fail. A shame that
Donít feed the troll, the same happened when SEN first opened, if anyone mentioned expansion, new airlines and routes, the trolls came out to play.
Having said that, I donít see all the current routes working, DUB should definitely stay, but if expansion does happen, some Sun routes would work well, West Cumbrians currently use GLA, NCL and MAN all a bit frustrating when you could fly from your local airport.
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 15:11
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some Sun routes would work well
The airport is restricted by planning permission to a/c of 146 size. The terminal isn't currently configured for anything bigger than an ATR. Of course things can change, but If anything did happen I would expect it to be the sort of operation that Eastern have dipped a toe in at MME - clearly Stobart will be watching with interest...

They really need to consolidate the exisiting routes first. Good to see a LM bringing a Saab down from GLA last week to pick up the DUB for a tech Nyxair machine. That's the sort of commitment these niche operations need.

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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 15:31
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All Carlisle routes operate with Government subsidies. Without them the routes would not have got off the ground. Are the subsidies for a fixed time or permanent?
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 16:05
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It’s not wanting “ the venture” to fail.

Carlisle is and always will be an excellent GA airfield,perfectly situated in a big void on the NW coast of England

As a scheduled airport though it will always struggle with 5ish “major” airports within 2 hours drive.
The airport doesn’t warrant more investment,especially when road and rail provide so much local connectivity and yet both are in so much more need of massive investment?

Is a weekly flight to Palma or Alicante so important in this day and age..I think not.
Is a flight to Southend carrying 150 departing passengers in a month a wise use of funds? I think not.

The world is changing and goodness knows where aviation alone will be after this latest horrible virus!

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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 16:10
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All Carlisle routes operate with Government subsidies. Without them the routes would not have got off the ground. Are the subsidies for a fixed time or permanent?
No they don't - they were awarded but the routes didn't start in time to qualify.
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 16:23
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West Cumbrians currently use GLA, NCL and MAN all a bit frustrating when you could fly from your local airport.
That's because there aren't very many of them - the catchement area of CAX may be big, but it's empty. The population of the city of Carlisle is just over 100k. DAZ211 up the thread mentions meeting some pax who were travelling to meet family from Chelmsford - a town with a population 50% bigger than Carlisle. The population of Cumbria is 500k, Dumfries and Galloway 150k, and for many of these the major airports are as convenient as CAX
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:13
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post

Good to see a LM bringing a Saab down from GLA last week to pick up the DUB for a tech Nyxair machine. That's the sort of commitment these niche operations need.
Dont nyxair have a spare aircraft at CAX for this exact reason? Were they both tech?
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:41
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One of the Saabs was stuck in SEN overnight - doubt they have a spare crew
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 20:36
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I emailed the CAA asking why CAX are not reporting monthly numbers like all other UK airports.

Response: "We are in communication with Carlisle whom are putting the necessary processes in place to report details of individual Air Transport Movements. We are hopeful that they will soon be in the position to report the required detail."
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 21:31
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka View Post
I emailed the CAA asking why CAX are not reporting monthly numbers like all other UK airports.

Response: "We are in communication with Carlisle whom are putting the necessary processes in place to report details of individual Air Transport Movements. We are hopeful that they will soon be in the position to report the required detail."
Apparently a spokesman for Stobart said "I'ts quite tricky this running an airport lark. There's all sorts of rules and stuff, and things you've got to do..."
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 10:22
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surely it can't be that hard to count the number of movements... there's only about 6 a day!
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 11:37
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Stobart already have to provide information to the CAA in respect of SOUTHEND
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 11:54
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
surely it can't be that hard to count the number of movements... there's only about 6 a day!
With respect, CAX have always reported their aircraft movements to the CAA, so no need to sass them over that!

What has been new to them is the requirement to start reporting passenger numbers since the pax. flights started. Obviously the last scheduled passenger flights occurred over a generation ago, and collectively forgotten in the meantime; the need to report such statistics was probably not flagged up to them by the regulator for quite a while after the flights started.

I'm sure that they will be appearing before too much longer.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 12:32
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With respect, CAX have always reported their aircraft movements to the CAA, so no need to sass them over that!

What has been new to them is the requirement to start reporting passenger numbers since the pax. flights started. Obviously the last scheduled passenger flights occurred over a generation ago, and collectively forgotten in the meantime; the need to report such statistics was probably not flagged up to them by the regulator for quite a while after the flights started.

I'm sure that they will be appearing before too much longer.
Seriously?!? How hard can it be - a generational gap! Shouldn't they have been aware of the requirements before the regulator flagged it up (after all, they had long enough). Are they not benchmarking against the other airports in the group?
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 12:47
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Where are these requirements written down then, SWBKCB?
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 13:09
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No idea, but I'm not a professional airport operator. Even if they weren't aware of the CAA requirements (?), surely they are collected for their own internal business reporting?
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 13:15
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I'm sure they do collect them for their business purposes. The format needed by the regulator involves is a very particular set and format of data collection and reporting to an airport's own requirements, and is through a third party to do it on the regulator's behalf.
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