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Old 4th Jun 2020, 11:59
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So that will leave BACF with just three E170s. Are these earmarked for specific routes? I seem to recall that DUS has been an E170-only route.
For July and August 170s are scheduled to operate on AMS, DUB, DUS, EDI, FRA, GLA, NCE, UIP and ZRH. DUS and UIP are exclusively 170.
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Old 4th Jun 2020, 13:31
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So that will leave BACF with just three E170s. Are these earmarked for specific routes? I seem to recall that DUS has been an E170-only route.
Actually only 2 left now (G-LCYH / YI) as G-LCYE left for Warsaw several weeks ago.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 13:52
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Looks like EDI base is to be closed down according to Unite
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 14:32
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See post #238 on 14th May for a link to BALPA site with this proposed news.
Sadly it is a sign of the current tough times in aviation. Fingers crossed on a decent outcome for all concerned both in EDI, BACF and the wider industry.
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Old 26th Jun 2020, 19:19
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Who would have thought that these 10 year old frame would be considered EOL at a time everyone is saying that regional sized aircraft are the future..
EOL = End of Lease
Not, 'End of Life' which I'm assuming you may have thought?
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 07:44
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Have a flight booked late September, MAN-JMK with Cityflyer.
BA insist the flight operates & any changes/cancellation by me is subject to normal T & Cs (Flight booked last January). The flight appears non bookable on line- states no direct service, despite BA saying flight operates.
Are the Cityflyer regional sun flights pulled for the entire season - or are they to be resumed soon?
From a personal viewpoint, my accommodation is cancellation free until mid July, but if BA pull the flight only a few weeks before, will incur what are currently avoidable costs.
Public confidence in air travel needs to be enhanced, the whole refund situation by many (but not all) and the late cancellations (when they know they will not operate) will do nothing to inspire future bookings.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 08:21
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Looks like BA don't want to give you a refund until the last minute. Posted on the Head for Points website yesterday

British Airways drops ‘regional weekend’ CityFlyer services to Europe

During the week, BA CityFlyer flies from London City airport to key business destinations in Europe. At weekends, however, it offers a range of leisure destinations to maximise the use of its aircraft.

As far as I can tell, all of these services appear to have been cancelled for Summer 2020 although passengers have not been notified. Here are the impacted routes which have been cut:

From Edinburgh: Florence, Palma

From Glasgow: Palma

From Manchester: Alicante, Florence, Ibiza, Malaga, Mykonos, Nice, Palma

From Stansted: Faro, Florence, Ibiza, Malaga, Mykonos, Palma
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Have a flight booked late September, MAN-JMK with Cityflyer.
BA insist the flight operates & any changes/cancellation by me is subject to normal T & Cs (Flight booked last January). The flight appears non bookable on line- states no direct service, despite BA saying flight operates.
Are the Cityflyer regional sun flights pulled for the entire season - or are they to be resumed soon?
From a personal viewpoint, my accommodation is cancellation free until mid July, but if BA pull the flight only a few weeks before, will incur what are currently avoidable costs.
Public confidence in air travel needs to be enhanced, the whole refund situation by many (but not all) and the late cancellations (when they know they will not operate) will do nothing to inspire future bookings.
looks like they have started cancelling the August one and are probably doing it stages to keep your cash for a bit longer!

https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/0...ekend-flights/

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Old 28th Jun 2020, 11:46
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Regional flights won’t be happening this summer. The airline wants to run a simplified operation, and with more stands available at LCY and reduced demand there’s no need to send aircraft away for the weekend.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 12:31
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Regional flights won’t be happening this summer. The airline wants to run a simplified operation, and with more stands available at LCY and reduced demand there’s no need to send aircraft away for the weekend.
Thanks for the update.
If only BA would be honest with it's customers, it dents any confidence in the industry. Here is the reply from BA Customer services...
Hi .... flights for September are currently operating as scheduled. Any changes at this stage would be as per the fare rules of your ticket.
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Old 28th Jun 2020, 13:11
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A lot seems to have been chopped, booked a one way from AMS on Wed for late August only for it to be cancelled the next day. I only booked it as KLM cancelled my original flight. No LCY-AMS by anyone on a Sunday.
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Old 2nd Jul 2020, 15:29
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Belfast City starting 1st September x1 Daily, with the aim to start x3 daily when there is sufficient market recovery.
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 23:08
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Barrhead Travel have announced a major reduction in the size of their business today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...eporting-story

Were they not significant charterers of Cityflyer spare capacity at weekends ?
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Old 6th Jul 2020, 23:42
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Barrhead Travel have announced a major reduction in the size of their business today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...eporting-story

Were they not significant charterers of Cityflyer spare capacity at weekends ?
The cityflyer charters won’t be operating at all this year, yet to be decided if and when they will return.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 07:16
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Barrhead Travel have announced a major reduction in the size of their business today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...eporting-story

Were they not significant charterers of Cityflyer spare capacity at weekends ?
Several years ago yes. Since the business went more towards the region to sun model though I think there has only been the odd one on a weekend from GLA and EDI. ABZ stopped years ago.
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Old 7th Jul 2020, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Jet Set Willie
Several years ago yes. Since the business went more towards the region to sun model though I think there has only been the odd one on a weekend from GLA and EDI. ABZ stopped years ago.
In Summer 2019 all Barrhead Travel charters were from GLA, to REU, PMI, BCN and GOA.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 06:55
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BACF has had a large charter program at Weekends stepped up over the past summers. (sadly not this one!) plus SKI flights in winter.

Typically-
As mentioned BarrHead Travel had many departures from GLA, EDI & ABZ mainly to Spain and its islands (REU BCN ALC AGP IBZ PMI MAH)
Other regular series from GLA & EDI were to Faro Genoa Zurich Verona Venice and Salzburg.

Some other past operations were flown from MAN, IOM, HUY, BOH again to Spain and the islands and to some others.

Winter ski flights were flown too operating to Chambery Toulouse Grenoble Verona & Salzburg


Quite a large Sun/Beach routes scheduled flight expansion was seen from LCY to include Croatia & the Greek Islands SPU JSI JMK and JTR which seem to continue for this summer.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 21:39
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As well as the proposed redundancies, the company wants to take a hatchet to terms and conditions:
  • Removing a guaranteed three days off after six days on
  • Removing the right to refuse (and disruption payments)
  • Reducing rest down route to 11 hours
  • Removing the min number of hours for days off (currently 60 for two days), instead aligning with EASA definitions
  • Removing right to a day off after night flying
  • Allowing 2 (rather than 1) single days off to count towards the monthly total
  • Removing the right to a day off around a standby block
  • Removing fixed patterns for part time colleagues
  • Reduction of annual leave and restriction on number of days that can be taken in the summer
  • Changes to training executive duties, including conducting IFA for CSM
  • Increasing delegate to trainer ratio
  • removing hotel breakfasts
  • replacing taxis with public transport



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Old 9th Jul 2020, 08:32
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  • Changes to training executive duties, including conducting IFA for CSM
  • Increasing delegate to trainer ratio
Although some of the above are undoubtedly big changes, you really have to wonder how it was possible for the two points above to ever have become industrial relations negotiations. Why would anyone have agreed these as T&Cs in the first place?

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Originally Posted by GLCYZ
  • replacing taxis with public transport

Surely not? Is that not a potential fatigue risk? That could become a serious pain in the arse for Crewing/Ops
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