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Old 7th Aug 2018, 08:48
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I believe another airline has already taken the Thomson callsign!
Really? Tomjet sounds awful. mind you TUIair was as bad. A callsign needs to have no relation with the branding whatsoever.
flybe = "Jersey" from Jersey European
BA = "Speedbird" from BOAC
Thomas Cook = "Kestrel" from the 1991 Airtours business
Jet2 = "Channex" from Channel Express

Why on Earth did they change from "Thomson" given there was never a need to change from "Britannia"?
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 10:30
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I know recently there has been some confusion with foreign ATC with the TUIAIR call sign especially in Balkans,Greece and Turkey when they are reading instructions there has been confusion.

I agree Britannia was a good call sign and should never have been changed in the first place
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 08:52
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They changed the 6th at 1800z. Strange time to change on my opinion. We had one leave as Tui and come back as Tomjet. And over the next few days, as I expect with other airports, a mixture of the 2 callsign as the crews get used to it.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 08:58
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737 James

There was no way the new German masters were going to stick with the name "Britannia".
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 12:34
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There was no way the new German masters were going to stick with the name "Britannia".
No especially after they had "Windsor" inflicted on them when BY operated ex Germany- was that the 80s or 90s.
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Old 16th Aug 2018, 14:50
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The Tuiair callsign was very unpopular with our pilots and controllers alike. It was very difficult to pick up from a foreign controller when English was not the mother tongue. We were being mixed up with other group airlines callsigns and safety was a major concern. The crews bombarded the company with Air safety Reports over the issue. The problem was from the controllers end that the trigraph on the controllers screen remained TOM. So,a controller saw TOM123, on the radar screen ,but needed to say TUIAIR 123. Now, the controller will still see TOM 123 on his/ her screen but will now verbalise TOMJET 123.
It was introduced at very short notice due to an administrative error. Was planned for 1st November.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 13:34
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G-OBYK is operating from MAN today swapping with YG. Does anybody know the reason for the constant swapping? Firstly having experienced a Nordic based frame operating a UK flight, the IFE was in Scandinavian only (not the biggest deal but still not ideal), half the magazines and safety cards were in Scandinavian languages and half were missing. G-OBYK as far as I know is the only TUI frame still in the old livery and still has Nordic titles.

It looks like YF and YG are set up for UK ops and YH and YK or Nordic ops but as I say there has been constant swapping across the summer. I just don't see why they don't either standardise everything or have both languages on board that they can change to suit where that particular frame is based.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 16:50
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
No especially after they had "Windsor" inflicted on them when BY operated ex Germany- was that the 80s or 90s.
Oh I don't know.... House of Windsor has pretty close connections to Germany...
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 16:41
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fly on Tui every couple of years and have a random question re the route map displays on the 737’s. This year we were delayed for an hour on the ground. Crew really friendly and used the time to let the kids visit the cockpit (I probably enjoyed it more though!) and gave out things to keep them entertained. Thought this was a great touch and differentiated the airline from others.
Once under way pilot gave lots of details about the journey but I was really disappointed that the route maps were not used to support this. for the next few hours my kids asked where we were and when we’d get there so I asked the crew if they still used the displays that I’d seen before to answer their questions. They said they did and would put it on - admittedly it was a busy flight and they never got around to it but my question is when do they use it - is it by request ir just if they can be bothered. Used to fly BA domestic and the route maps came on shortly after takeoff every time but TUI seem to have bought this useful tool but don’t want to use it!
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 22:55
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Originally Posted by DanAir89 View Post
fly on Tui every couple of years and have a random question re the route map displays on the 737’s. This year we were delayed for an hour on the ground. Crew really friendly and used the time to let the kids visit the cockpit (I probably enjoyed it more though!) and gave out things to keep them entertained. Thought this was a great touch and differentiated the airline from others.
Once under way pilot gave lots of details about the journey but I was really disappointed that the route maps were not used to support this. for the next few hours my kids asked where we were and when we’d get there so I asked the crew if they still used the displays that I’d seen before to answer their questions. They said they did and would put it on - admittedly it was a busy flight and they never got around to it but my question is when do they use it - is it by request ir just if they can be bothered. Used to fly BA domestic and the route maps came on shortly after takeoff every time but TUI seem to have bought this useful tool but don’t want to use it!
Not all aircraft are still fitted with the system. The ones that are (sky interior 737s), will have their screens deployed, usually once in the cruise. It's not a case of "not wanting to use it". Sometimes it may not connect or the screens may simply not be working. Of course if the safety demo had been shown via the screens, its unlikely that that would have been the case. As you mentioned, the crew were probably just very busy and again forgot to set it up.

As an aside, the system on BA shorthaul Airbus aircraft is being removed as each one goes through their densification program. This is to standardise with the NEO fleet and to reduce fuel burn and maintenance costs
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 05:45
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G-FDZA & FDZJ set to leave the fleet this winter replaced by 2 Scandi 738s G-TAWX & G-TAWY
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 09:58
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Also (taken from Jethro's site) first 737-8 MAX is due in November, registered G-TUMA.

G-CPEU also looks like it's leaving in December too.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 09:36
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I travelled to Larnarca return with Tui in June on the same aircraft in both directions, Outbound the screens were used for both safety demo and during the flight which was good to keep track on the flight and helped pass the time on the long sector.

Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better. I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this as it was a dep LCA 01:30 arr EMA 04:25 flight but for me persoanlly I would have liked to keep track on routing and progress.

Will the 737 Max have the Sky map installed or not ?
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 10:18
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Originally Posted by MKY661 View Post
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G-CPEU also looks like it's leaving in December too.
I think there's 4 757's due to leave before end of this financial year.
If so, I wonder what these frames future holds?
Is there still a live freighter conversion program, actively looking for suitable frames, or has that ship now sailed?
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 11:54
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Originally Posted by GEB74 View Post
I think there's 4 757's due to leave before end of this financial year.
Yeah Jetrho also stating G-CPEV leaves in the Spring and G-OOBG & G-OOBH leave in March.
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 18:16
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Originally Posted by 737James View Post
I travelled to Larnarca return with Tui in June on the same aircraft in both directions, Outbound the screens were used for both safety demo and during the flight which was good to keep track on the flight and helped pass the time on the long sector.

Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better. I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this as it was a dep LCA 01:30 arr EMA 04:25 flight but for me persoanlly I would have liked to keep track on routing and progress.

Will the 737 Max have the Sky map installed or not ?
thanks for comments on this. Return journey was at night so that might explain it but perhaps not a deep night flight as arrived back in the U.K. at midnight.

other than that always been sky interior day flights on a variety of 737’s - perhaps from NCl getting the bar open is more important 🍺🍹🍸
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Old 10th Sep 2018, 18:27
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Inbound the screen was used for safety briefing and then it was turned on so around 30 mins into the flight I asked the CC if they could turn this on but said that they were not allowed to use the screen on the deep night flight so that people could sleep better.
I’m pretty sure that’s complete nonsense about turning the screens off at night. Sounds to me like a crew members preference.
If that was the case they’d switch the IFE off on night flights on the 787. Something that they certainly don’t do when you’re flying back eastbound across the Atlantic.

Maybe the simple answer is that the moving map just wasn’t ‘playing game’ on your particular flight. IFE technology isn’t always that reliable.

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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:28
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Pamann- I think it may be something on this particular flight LCA-EMA as parents travelled back a week later on different aircraft WF and same happened screens used for briefing and then crew would not turn them on.

It was good for the people that wanted to sleep as we were airborne at 01:38 and bar service was all completed by 02:00 lights out for four hours and not put back on until 10mins before landing. By having the lights out totally I did get some amazing views of Eastern and central europe
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 10:37
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I don't think its an aircraft or route issue, more likely software, policy or workload.

My summer holidays were out and back on different NCL based 738s; maps worked fine on the ground as did the safety video, however once airborne the screens were lowered but showed nothing.
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Old 11th Sep 2018, 12:13
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I used to like and keep the Captain's inflight map/position report/bulletin that was on a sheet of paper and was passed down the cabin for all passengers to read and hand on to the next one.

I have a couple of Britannia Airways Britannia one's in my possession plus British Eagle Britannia, and Dan Air Comet & 727.
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