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Old 14th May 2018, 22:24
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
The problem with DSA is that it is heavily reliant on Wizz. It makes up for over half the passengers.

They are clearly intent on scaling back their operation to DSA, judging by the routes cut and the significant frequency cuts on the routes that remain.

Then you have Flybe, who have scaled back since they first started, and it remains to be seen whether DSA is anything more than a dumping ground for their Embraers.

TUI are the only ones who seem 100% committed.

As pointed out earlier, I only see a future in freight, with maybe the odd token passenger flight.


Another epic fail from Timmy Doncaster Sheffield Airport
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Old 18th May 2018, 08:08
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Good to see Wizz replacing the routes lost with another, Debrecen, Hungary. Granted for the winter season but its better than nothing. Did they operate Budapest from DSA at any stage? So popular at the moment as a destination, I'm sure it would have high pax from DSA.

My bug with DSA is route retention, Berlin for example going with Flybe, such a shame.
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Old 18th May 2018, 18:28
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No, Wizz have never operated from Doncaster to Budapest. Debrecen seems an unusual choice as there seem - I might be wrong - to be less Hungarian residents in Yorkshire and the adjacent counties than from other eastern European countries; and routes from Kosice in Slovakia and Lublin in Poland are to be axed.
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Old 18th May 2018, 20:44
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Originally Posted by johnnychips View Post
No, Wizz have never operated from Doncaster to Budapest. Debrecen seems an unusual choice as there seem - I might be wrong - to be less Hungarian residents in Yorkshire and the adjacent counties than from other eastern European countries; and routes from Kosice in Slovakia and Lublin in Poland are to be axed.
There is in fact a relatively substantial Hungarian population in the Doncaster and surrounding areas. I believe it to pre-date the increase of the Polish nationals moving to the UK of more recent times. I presume Wizzair will have completed sufficient enough market research to at least see it fit for them to give the route a go.

As for the Lublin and Kosice routes being "axed", a reminder that they were discontinued due to Wizzair closing down those bases.
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Old 18th May 2018, 22:23
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Sorry if my post appeared to be negative - it wasn't. I don't know about Lublin, but there is a relatively substantial population in Doncaster and its surrounds from eastern Slovakia, so I would have thought the route from Kosice would be popular (yes I know about yields v loading) and I thought maybe Wizz could have done a W-flight pattern to serve it. Still, if they've fallen out with Kosice airport...I tried finding out about Hungarian-born people in Yorkshire and got a great headache trying to penetrate census figures. All I managed was that there are about 30 000 Hungarian-born people in England who live outside London and the south-east, which is a lot less than other eastern European nationalities. I just wonder why they chose to serve DSA from Debrecen rather than Budapest - maybe no competition. Good luck to it!
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Old 21st May 2018, 13:03
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DSA offers flights to Bucharest, but not Budapest.

Debrechen isn't too far from Budapest, the airport has decent road connections, and it's under two hours by road to Budapest. If you're wanting to go to Budapest, Debrechen would be an option if the price was right
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Old 21st May 2018, 13:06
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Sounds like the bait-and-switch tactics Ryanair used to make...
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Old 25th May 2018, 11:11
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As already observed (#159) Flybe's W18 programme for DSA looks very thin. They started with 2 E95s in S16. In S18 it is down to 2 E75s. Their plan is to base an (underutilised) E75(?) in W18 but to me it looks like that most of these routes can be served with aircraft based somewhere else (as they do in EMA, NWI and LCY).
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 09:00
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Winter 18 will no doubt be as sparse as Winter 17. That's my concern for the airport. With TUI operating 1 or 2 flights per day and Flybe offering 2 maybe 3 flights. People still travel out of Summer season, its always so annoying having to go Leeds or Manchester to get anywhere.

I am surprised Ryan Air haven't jumped on these routes from DSA as there is a demand for none package holiday flights out of Summer Seasons.

Tenerife South (Previously Operated)
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Alicante (Previously Operated)
Faro (Previously Operated -I think)
Malaga

City Break routes

Pisa (Previously Operated)
Rome
Budapest
Berlin

Flybe problem is they are too expensive, For example This year it worked out cheaper for me to go on the train to Manchester and get an Easyjet flight to Berlin and in September its again cheaper for me to get the train to Manchester and fly to Dublin. I really want to fly from DSA but I refuse to pay silly money. When speaking to family and friends they are often saying the same.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 18:56
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Same here, I'm flying into MAN and out of EMA in a couple of weeks. I'd love to use DSA all the time but sometimes you just can't argue with the prices.

Incidentally, stage 2 of the link road was due to open in April wasn't it? It still isn't open unless I missed something.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 19:32
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Carillon collapsing is what happened. It was taken over by Tarmac and is pretty much complete and will be open within the next few weeks. Then that will be both stages of the M18 link complete through to the airport front door.

Incidentally, well done to the airport cargo team. In addition to the regular scheduled heavies there has been a lot of ad hoc heavies recently (5 today alone) for specialist contracts (F1, bands, auto). It's doing no-ones reputation any harm with the success.
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 19:50
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Sure, prices are important factors. In addition the proximity to various other airports is what causes here the competitive environment. And this might be what makes the difference compared to other regional airports where flybe is more successful.

Would you consider flying more often from DSA once the new link road is open?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 21:59
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Originally Posted by limited_sight View Post
Sure, prices are important factors. In addition the proximity to various other airports is what causes here the competitive environment. And this might be what makes the difference compared to other regional airports where flybe is more successful.

Would you consider flying more often from DSA once the new link road is open?
Link road phase 2 is (without checking) only about a mile long and will only save an additional 2-3 minutes at a guess compared to the current route - but it is important as the existing route can get clogged with local traffic. I doubt the completion of phase 2 will, in itself, cause more people to use DSA but you can bet that it will be well publicised.

When phase one opened they said that Sheffield city centre (Park Square) was just 25 minutes away, which is correct if you drive at the speed limit and don't hit traffic on the Parkway. It follows that when phase 2 opens an extra couple of minutes should be lopped off that journey time. Not sure about driving from Donny, but the traffic is normally fairly heavy in the town that side of the M18
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 08:40
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I am surprised Ryan Air haven't jumped on these routes from DSA as there is a demand for none package holiday flights out of Summer Seasons.

Tenerife South (Previously Operated)
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Alicante (Previously Operated)
Faro (Previously Operated -I think)
Malaga

City Break routes

Pisa (Previously Operated)
Rome
Budapest
Berlin
How do you know there is "demand"? If there was enough demand why were certain routes that you listed dropped? BTW, the airline is called Ryanair.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 19:53
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I don't,I was just making conversation in the group. Also, if there is a spelling mistake of an Airline, its not intentional so no need to flag up trying to put someone down. Thank you
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 23:22
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Originally Posted by TOM1747 View Post
I don't,I was just making conversation in the group. Also, if there is a spelling mistake of an Airline, its not intentional so no need to flag up trying to put someone down. Thank you
Quite rudeness on this site is quite shocking tbh.
I wonder if people would have the nerve to speak to someone like that in person .
Id say not imho.
I understood what you meant , modern auto correct can change as you hit post .
It's a known glitch in Firefox and other Browsers especially on Android.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:52
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I don't,I was just making conversation in the group.
You clearly stated "there IS demand" - for which you have now admitted you have no evidence. If you were just making conversation perhaps you should have worded it as "there COULD be demand". Call me old-fashioned (well, actually, I am old fashioned) but there is too much these days of opinions being presented as fact - particularly on-line.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 12:03
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I flew out on the following Flybe departure to AGP last year when I couldn't get flights from MAN, LPL, LBA or EMA due to all being either fully booked or mega high prices. The surprise was, not only was it very cheap but it was only about one third full. It seems that demand is not that high.

Mon 17 Jul 2017 BE4427Doncaster Sheffield to Malaga15:3019:30
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 13:09
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There are some deals, but cheapest DSA-ALC for Jun/Jul this year 140 return with BE, competing with lowest fares LBA 109, EMA 71 all chasing same catchment. There is demand but at half the price most Yorkshire folk will travel 45 minutes down the road to EMA
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ View Post
There are some deals, but cheapest DSA-ALC for Jun/Jul this year 140 return with BE, competing with lowest fares LBA 109, EMA 71 all chasing same catchment. There is demand but at half the price most Yorkshire folk will travel 45 minutes down the road to EMA
For leisure routes this sounds very plausible. But even for domestic/european destinations the share of time sensitive business passengers does not seem to be high enough to make higher frequencies or more routes viable.
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