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Not one viable business route then... morning out/evening in
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I'm just glad we have retained Flybe for another winter, it will be interesting to see how Wizz do over the up coming year and whether any further routes will get the chop.
If we could just get a Jet2 based aircraft operating routes or the return of Ryan Air or Easyjet, that would help the pax figures.
The TUI flight to Egypt should also help this next winter season.
If we could just get a Jet2 based aircraft operating routes or the return of Ryan Air or Easyjet, that would help the pax figures.
The TUI flight to Egypt should also help this next winter season.
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Originally Posted by TOM1747
If we could just get a Jet2 based aircraft operating routes or the return of Ryan Air or Easyjet, that would help the pax figures.
Before we see other airlines entering the market or ultimately basing aircraft at DSA, you should ideally want to see the current serving airlines to either base additional aircraft and/or expand their route networks. This will bolster their own positions at DSA making it more sustainable for if demand increased and other airlines eventually arrive in the future.
I don't see the big fuss about the constant want for Jet2 at DSA? Their current way of working wouldn't warrant a single based aircraft and (being realistc) particularly at the moment i don't see demand for any more than that from them ( with my above comment in mind). Especially with their other larger bases of EMA, LBA and MAN all being relatively close by. I understand business models can change and they may indeed find a way of making it financially viable to set up a 1x aircraft base initially as a niche market from DSA, but for now it would be an oddball in the network.
On the flip side, Thomas Cook Airlines could probably better sustain a summer only single based aircraft at DSA. Their business model better fits such an operation and they have better flexibility with their aircraft throughout the seasons to make that possible. The package holiday market is an area where DSA excels at too. Whilst it would be some competition, particularly for TUI, it wouldn't be as aggressive as a large base set up from a low-fares carrier and they often focus on different segments of the charter market too.
As for Ryanair basing, well that would most likely mark the end of Flybe at DSA - in its current form anyway - and would most probably impact on the Wizzair network as well. Operating a select few services on a W-pattern could work again. However, i would suspect these would most likely be the usual summer sun routes - again effecting current serving airlines performance.
Choice for the consumer is great, BUT only when it can be done sustainably.
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The last thing DSA needs is bloody Ryanair! Their presence there before, I'm sure, quashed interest from other airlines. As Cazza fly said, it would most likely mean the end of Flybe there.
Let's hope Ryanair stay the hell away!
Let's hope Ryanair stay the hell away!
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The problem with DSA is that it is heavily reliant on Wizz. It makes up for over half the passengers.
They are clearly intent on scaling back their operation to DSA, judging by the routes cut and the significant frequency cuts on the routes that remain.
Then you have Flybe, who have scaled back since they first started, and it remains to be seen whether DSA is anything more than a dumping ground for their Embraers.
TUI are the only ones who seem 100% committed.
As pointed out earlier, I only see a future in freight, with maybe the odd token passenger flight.
They are clearly intent on scaling back their operation to DSA, judging by the routes cut and the significant frequency cuts on the routes that remain.
Then you have Flybe, who have scaled back since they first started, and it remains to be seen whether DSA is anything more than a dumping ground for their Embraers.
TUI are the only ones who seem 100% committed.
As pointed out earlier, I only see a future in freight, with maybe the odd token passenger flight.
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Originally Posted by egcntristar
Still room in the schedule for a few more flights. It's around the same as last year.
In other news there are now three scheduled cargo flights (1 x 747, 2 x MD11).
In other news there are now three scheduled cargo flights (1 x 747, 2 x MD11).
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
Did you know that less than 10% of people travel out and back for business in one day? Depends what your definition of a "viable business route" is. At the moment if you want to travel from the Doncaster region to AMS you have to go to EMA or MAN. Who wants to do a day trip where you have to add at least an hours commute to each end before you even start your flying? Much better to have a days work, travel in the afternoon, meet your client for an evening meal, have a good nights sleep in a hotel and then have your business meeting the next day don't you think?
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
Did you know that less than 10% of people travel out and back for business in one day? Depends what your definition of a "viable business route" is. At the moment if you want to travel from the Doncaster region to AMS you have to go to EMA or MAN. Who wants to do a day trip where you have to add at least an hours commute to each end before you even start your flying? Much better to have a days work, travel in the afternoon, meet your client for an evening meal, have a good nights sleep in a hotel and then have your business meeting the next day don't you think?
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I respect the stats given, however the broader point being made was BE’s indifferent offering at DSA compared with its other bases. They are playing with routes and claiming destination flags rather than providing flexible supply. Without flexible supply there will be limited demand.
It goes further than BE though at DSA, I understand the protection of incumbents, and the risks of inviting new airlines but all successful airports have multiple carriers offering the same routes, and again it is the flexible supply that generates the demand - just like any other consumer product, people will drive to a supermarket for the larger choice 24 hours a day rather than walk to the corner shop with its limited choice and opening hours. And competing supermarkets will open next to each other. The larger supply makes the town more attractive, and local populations increase.
All of Wizz’s success has been due to its supply of product, let’s just hope Peel aren’t suppressing any Wizz uk ambitions at DSA to protect BE.
It goes further than BE though at DSA, I understand the protection of incumbents, and the risks of inviting new airlines but all successful airports have multiple carriers offering the same routes, and again it is the flexible supply that generates the demand - just like any other consumer product, people will drive to a supermarket for the larger choice 24 hours a day rather than walk to the corner shop with its limited choice and opening hours. And competing supermarkets will open next to each other. The larger supply makes the town more attractive, and local populations increase.
All of Wizz’s success has been due to its supply of product, let’s just hope Peel aren’t suppressing any Wizz uk ambitions at DSA to protect BE.
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ
All of Wizz’s success has been due to its supply of product, let’s just hope Peel aren’t suppressing any Wizz uk ambitions at DSA to protect BE.
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Without checking, I think ALC is the only destination served by more than one airline. Even then, one-way prices are usually at least 70 quid and often over 100, and departure times from DSA are often very early in the morning.
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Originally Posted by Barnstable
Without checking, I think ALC is the only destination served by more than one airline. Even then, one-way prices are usually at least 70 quid and often over 100, and departure times from DSA are often very early in the morning.
Interesting that the Flybe schedule for this summer ends a month earlier at DSA than any other airport.
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This is the front of the Yorkshire Post.
25m passengers a year
250m tonnes of freight a year.
A very grandiose masterplan BUT the comment "over to you Mr Grayling" perhaps shows the poverty of knowledge when it comes to aviation decisions.
Other than possibly diverting the East Coast line to DSA I'm unsure what other inflence he has.
It's a bit like HAL suggesting every regional airport in the UK from Alderney to Wick will be connected to Heathrow once rw3 arrives ! It's not them fronting up the money or making the route decisions.
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Originally Posted by Navpi
250m tonnes of freight a year.
