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Old 25th Nov 2017, 11:40
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@ LEEDS APPROACH

The problem is that you keep posting the same opinion over and over again, year in, year out.
I'm not going to get, yet again, into a discussion on whether your ideas contain any merit, but I fail to see how banging on incessantly about the same proposal which appears to involve the closure of this and another airport can possibly be construed as 'Doncaster Sheffield Airport news', and therefore as such your activity seems to pretty much meet the criteria of being a troll.
Has it not crossed your mind that you are wasting your energy on here and on the Leeds thread? By all means express your views, but try putting them somewhere where somebody might show some interest...such as writing to newspapers...your MP...or even your own Church Fenton thread, but please stop spoiling the enjoyment of those of us who come on here to read some actual news.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 12:29
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Could not have worded that better .
Btw. Point of order . It's not been called ' Yeadon airport' for many years.
I was going to ask if you had missed LBA -Jet 2 New York flights - not to JFK.
I say again Church Fenton is a no go.
It's too close to the military training corridors for one.
Next it's too close to the end of the proposed High-speed rail.
Added to that it's too close to the planned large alterations to the M1/A1)M) ( linking them to allow more traffic movements there) .
Point is so much going on in a small area will have nimbys and green party lot crawling all over it for years.
Why expand C.F.. When DSA , is slowly establishing .
With large sums spent on access. Changes were made to the highways England owned motorway to assist in that link road .
Plus the europort and large government backing for an ECML spur in future .
That's a lot of cash to throw away and have to pass planning buy acres of land to build a long and wide enough runway ( maybe two ) if your closing ' Yeadon '.
Where is that money coming from?.
Leeds city council still cannot agree years after closing one of the best inter suburban local rail networks out of London - how to provide a public rapid transport orclight rail solution.
It's pie in the sky. You may have been right BEFORE DSA was built and the ten years prior and during that ' Yeadon was getting extended '.
IF you felt strongly then, there are mechanisms in local government to first petition town / parish councils then county plus MP then gather signatures ( see the borders rail campaign for phase 2).
Then you might have got there.
But to hijack a Doncaster thread which some of us see a new post and hope it is actually news about DSA.
With something that won't happen isn't helpful.
This country is on a financial knife edge .
If they couldn't replace Heathrow how do you see them while spending a pittancecon transport in the north, doing essentially the same up here .
Best advise is let be.
Your stuck with LBA it's your local airport. And it's busy so they must be doing something right .
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 12:54
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I see freight is on the up anyone willing to declare what they are shipping or is it even inbound or outbound. Perhaps feeding that large Amazon depot?
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 14:27
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Originally Posted by davidjpowell View Post
I was in the airport chatting to a chap from Bradford. It had taken him less time to get to Doncaster Sheffield than Leeds Bradford.

He was impressed and had decided to ditch LBA when he could.

It's a shame that they can't turn around the Leeds local trains at a Doncaster Sheffield station - a spur off the quiet Lincoln line... Would make it very accessible.
I must take you to task about this post. Assuming the gentlemen lived in Bradford City Centre(you have to start somewhere).
To LBA is 7 miles in an urban area at average 20mph. Time taken - 20mins.
To DSA is 40+ miles so if he is going to do it in 20 mins he must average 120mph!
When you say it took less time to get to DSA than LBA when it is 6 x further, you have to give more detail of the journey to be taken seriously.

Last year someone posted that he had traveled from DSA to Castleford in 30 mins and admitted it was late at night with very little traffic around.

It's a shame you didn't ask for more detail because I would certainly had done so with that claim.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 16:17
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Hmm Bradford to Doncaster in that time with the M62 and the roadworks plus ALR until Castleford exit.
Then you have to come off into the short bit of A1 motorway and hit the constant eye as high speed traffic from now 100 odd miles of motorway class road is funnelled into an old twisty 1950's mess . Average speed all day very slow. It took me one day 40 mins from the endcof the 3lane to Red house ( A638) so then you have a choice of getting through the city and its traffic or round the terrible old motorway bypass ( both are up for widening at the same time ) right a long there to the M18 - air for the junction and its lights ( M18/A1M ) another few mins to the airport.
Nope unless he had a helicopter or jump jet not very realistic.
Unless it was 3am. And still not possible.
Also Where in Bradford? It's huge .
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 16:33
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Obviously the chap in the terminal was totally exaggerating on the travel distance and the time it took to get to DSA but isn't it really annoying when grown adults who should no better but have a habit of exaggerating, I've come across so many people that exaggerate I find it unbelievable and immature.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 17:45
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It did surprise me. But it was early o'clock, so not something I thought to challenge until later...

I suspect it depends on which part of Bradford he was coming from... and he may have been comparing not like for like times of day.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 20:07
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I think it was just an early morning bit of banter and neither yourself or the gentleman in question thought that the topic would be discussed any further.

You have those type of conversations with people and it's not until afterwards that you think to yourself 'what the hell was that guy going on about'!
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 09:14
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hi all
i live on the east side of leeds at cross gates,i use the dsa to malaga flight 3times per year
as its normally cheaper than lba.the millage door to door is 44 miles and motor ways can can some times work for you or against you,from the house to lba is 13 miles and no m/ways and 4 different ways of getting there,i think its all about cost and flight times and your personal choice, the only problem i have found with dsa is if its a late booking the cost of the car is very expensive where at lba there is 2 off site car parks which are
a lot cheaper than the airports.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 15:17
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
I see freight is on the up anyone willing to declare what they are shipping or is it even inbound or outbound. Perhaps feeding that large Amazon depot?
There is the weekly inbound MD11 from Nairobi with produce for supermarkets. Then the bulk of flights are outbound cargo going to numerous oilfields around the globe, the odd aid flight and special stage flights for arena entertainment shows. The daily Amazon European trial ended a while ago.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 15:23
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I understand the latest Amazon trial goes out of East Midlands, operated by ASL again, but this time to Milan & Madrid.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 12:31
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Apparently the new route is a 4 x weekly Flybe service to Belfast.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 12:45
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If true I call shenanigans!

Even Flybe have served it previously and so it cannot be called a new route by Peel PR!

From double daily to infrequently previously on a dash meant the route went under. See no reason why it won't happen again at 4 x weekly.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 12:55
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Plenty of routes have failed before and served again. Amsterdam one example.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 14:06
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Lublin to DSA is now cut. More on the way apparently.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 08:00
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Yeah I cant see the Belfast route lasting, the biggest problem with DSA is routes don't last long, then come back. Its a PR disaster really.

There are still a large number of people in Doncaster alone who havent a clue what airlines we have and where they go.

I wonder when TUI again will call Bodrum, Kos, Enfidha, Malta new routes if they bring them back!

Flybe so far now have dropped Dusseldorf and Berlin to my knowledge.

Looks like Wizz have started.

For 6 years I have had to use MAN or EMA as the flight choice just is not there. Its such a shame. I actually love the airport and want it to succeed. But Im not just going to Alicante or Malaga for my hols.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 08:57
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I really want DSA to succeed, but I agree, there’s still very much a culture of ‘oh I didn’t know you could fly there from donny’.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 10:03
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Definitely. I'm a fairly local travel agent and am constantly surprised by the number of people who didn't even know it existed. However, once a customer flies from there, 9 out of 10 are converted and love the place.

I always try and promote the airport where possible. It's very much in my interests for the place to succeed, but it is difficult when TUI and Flybe are your only options.

If we could just get a Jet2 or Thomas Cook in there with a meaningful program (i.e. not just Cook's token PMI flight), then the place would really take off.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 11:48
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I think TCX have pulled out operating charter flights from DSA. They are though still taking Holiday bookings to Majorca using Flybe and TUi flights into PMI.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 12:44
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If we could just get a Jet2 or Thomas Cook in there with a meaningful program (i.e. not just Cook's token PMI flight), then the place would really take off.
Considering Jet2 have a massive outfit at LBA (and EMA to a certain extent), all DSA would do is dilute their market a bit more. Would be nice, but i can't see it happening anytime soon

They are though still taking Holiday bookings to Majorca using Flybe and TUi flights into PMI.
Always assumed TCX/TUI were sworn rivals so why the collaboration?
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