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Old 12th Mar 2020, 11:06
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Loganair just announced 15-20% drop in forward bookings and subsequent reduction of 700 flights in April and May.

Got to be be one of the worst times to be starting new routes, albeit with a possible delay to these announced today.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 13:46
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post
Full list of flights to be added by LM are now available to book:

Aberdeen to Belfast City - Daily ERJ begins 16th March
Aberdeen to Birmingham - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 16th March
Aberdeen to Jersey - Weekly ATR72 begins 19th May
Aberdeen to Manchester - Up to 4 x Daily ERJ begins 16th March. Capacity increase from 1st September when ATR72 replaces ERJ

Edinburgh to Cardiff - Daily ERJ begins 23rd March. Frequency increase to 10 x Weekly from 1st September
Edinburgh to Exeter - 6 x Weekly ERJ begins 23rd March. Frequency and Capacity increases from 6th July when flights will op Daily ATR72
Edinburgh to Manchester - Up to 4 x Daily ERJ begins 23rd March.
Edinburgh to Newquay - 2 x weekly ATR72 service begins 20th June
Edinburgh to Southampton - Up to 4 x Daily ATR72 begins 15th June

Glasgow to Exeter - Daily ERJ begins 30th March. Capacity increases from 6th July when ATR72 replaces ERJ
Glasgow to Southampton - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 30th March. Frequency and Capacity increases from 6th July when flights increase to 4 x daily operated by AT7

Inverness to Belfast City - Daily SF3 flights begins 23rd March
Inverness to Birmingham - 4 x weekly ERJ begins 16th March. Frequency increases to daily ER4 from 23rd March
Inverness to Jersey - Weekly ATR72 begins 30th May

Newcastle to Exeter - Daily ERJ begins 6th July
Newcastle to Southampton - Up to 3 x Daily ERJ begins 23rd March

[Aircraft – ERJ is an Embraer Regional Jet with 49 or 37 seats; AT7 is an ATR72 with 70 seats; SF3 is a Saab 340 with 33 seats.]

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...flybe-collapse
The ATR-72 is a slow aircraft compared to the Q400 - it becomes very noticeable on a sector like SOU to GLA or EDI. I would've preferred to see the Saab 2000 on it (yes I know it's being retired).

The average airfares on the new routes are going to be much higher than average airfares Flybe offered. If Flybe couldn't make it work on those lower fares - why does Loganair believe it can with pretty much identical capacity???
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
The ATR-72 is a slow aircraft compared to the Q400 - it becomes very noticeable on a sector like SOU to GLA or EDI. I would've preferred to see the Saab 2000 on it (yes I know it's being retired).

The average airfares on the new routes are going to be much higher than average airfares Flybe offered. If Flybe couldn't make it work on those lower fares - why does Loganair believe it can with pretty much identical capacity???
I assume that they will charge more and if people won't pay then they will lose the service. There's plenty of evidence out there to show that Flybe were charging much lower than the train despite being significantly quicker and therefore, in theory, should have been commanding a premium. Low cost model pricing will not work in a regional airline environment. It has to be related to sustainable cost/margin principles.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 15:04
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Sharklet - heavens above, every thread has predictions of doom and things that won't work, whether it's airports or airlines. Should the industry just give up now?

From what I can see, they're offering a lot less capacity than Flybe did. Flybe had 6 Q400s a day on SOU-EDI and Logan will have 4 ATR72s a day. It's a 40% capacity cut.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 20:16
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Who cares about the slightly lower speed of an ATR if the alternatives are driving, the train or LHR hell?
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 23:02
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Loganair axing Wick to Edinburgh from end of March.

When I lived there they flew WIC to KOI, LSI, EDI, INV and GLA. Gill had up to three flights a day to ABZ and NCL.

Now will be once daily, on Eastern to ABZ... Who now charge same fare each way (from £99) despite WIC being exempt from APD.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 17:19
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Indeed the rise of destinations from INV has killed WIC can't see it surviving on one flight a day especially at Easterns prices and HIAL won't care as long as INV is doing okay. Loganair have operated there for 44 years. Shame for the county which will now be even more remote !
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 17:31
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Originally Posted by ATIS31 View Post
Indeed the rise of destinations from INV has killed WIC can't see it surviving on one flight a day especially at Easterns prices and HIAL won't care as long as INV is doing okay. Loganair have operated there for 44 years. Shame for the county which will now be even more remote !
Short term, no connection to the outside world might be a very good thing. I'm very tempted to go there atm
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 17:53
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Originally Posted by V12 View Post
Short term, no connection to the outside world might be a very good thing. I'm very tempted to go there atm
Very good idea!

I do find it amusing/frustrating on Facebook etc. where people are calling Loganair ridiculous and that they should be ashamed of themselves. Last I looked, Loganair is a private corporate entity and not a charity! Last thing we want/need is about Flybe or Thomas Cook.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 00:23
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The soon to be G-LMRB is now in full LM colours.

Is one of the ATRs going to be in full BA colours like Eastern with their S2000?
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 09:34
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Originally Posted by mullac30 View Post
The soon to be G-LMRB is now in full LM colours.

Is one of the ATRs going to be in full BA colours like Eastern with their S2000?
Nope, even the LM Saab 2000 wasnít.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 22:48
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Heartbroken to have lost my Loganair Airline assessment in Nov last year. Over expansion. Now they just want ATR rated crews or ex-Flybe crews.

Fair enough. Itís a business. And I for one am absolutely delighted to see wee Inverness so strong...way to go! Sgoinneil! (Brilliant!)
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 12:56
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“From the end of next week, we will be implementing an emergency timetable, which will reduce our operations from around 214 to 95 scheduled flights each weekday – a cut of 55%. We expect this to be a temporary reduction and we are implementing this until the end of May but may have to extend that timescale as the situation continues to develop.”
https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...ght-reductions
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 13:03
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I seem to remember the old 748 flying the circular route.... up on the western isles....
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 13:31
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As per the Loganair website:
  • Barra: No change.
  • Benbecula: Two Glasgow flights per day shared with Stornoway on a circular basis.
  • Campbeltown: Twice-daily Glasgow Saab 340 flights shared with Islay.
  • Islay: Twice-daily Glasgow Saab 340 flights shared with Campbeltown.
  • Kirkwall: Inter-isles services unaffected. Two daily Edinburgh services continuing to Shetland. Two daily services to/from Aberdeen. Glasgow and Inverness services suspended until 31 May.
  • Stornoway: Two daily jet services to and from Glasgow shared with Benbecula. Two daily Saab 340 flights from Inverness. Edinburgh services suspended until 31 May.
  • Sumburgh: Two daily services to/from Edinburgh via Kirkwall. Two daily services to/from Aberdeen. Glasgow and Inverness services suspended until 31 May. Launch of seasonal Bergen services delayed until mid-June.
  • Tiree: No change.
All international flights (incl. Ireland) suspended. Reduction on most routes to/from England. Some new ex Flybe routes postponed. Plus EXT/CWL-EDI combined service.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 19:44
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
As per the Loganair website:

All international flights (incl. Ireland) suspended. Reduction on most routes to/from England. Some new ex Flybe routes postponed. Plus EXT/CWL-EDI combined service.
I assume someone didnít like my listing and reported it as it seems to have disappeared for some reason...
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 07:45
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Loganair will need help to survive....

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...rvive-says-md/
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 08:11
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Originally Posted by Gurnard View Post
Loganair will need help to survive....

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...rvive-says-md/
I have no beef with Loganair but they've been negligent, in my opinion. Deserve everything coming at them.

The way BMIR was packaged and shafted. Their rapid expansion with no real strategy recently. Their 'new' aged aircraft.

The whole airline lacks direction and thought out strategy. It's another basketcase waiting to fail and may add credence to Gov propping Flybe's re-emergence rather than bailing out a bunch of regionals.
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 08:21
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JSCL - what do you think Loganair should have been doing over the last 2 years, before Covid arrived, and without applying the benefit of hindsight ?
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Old 30th Mar 2020, 08:27
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Loganair are not in the same basket as Flybe. They deserve more support, at least just for their lifeline routes to the islands. They can ground everything else until such time as it is appropriate to bring them back. The people on these islands are already facing reduced ferry services too so there needs to be some way of them retaining some essential air links to bring them what they need and take them to the mainland if needed.

When Flybe collapsed Loganair took on some of their routes which they decided would work. They didn't start doing silly things like flying dash 8s into LHR and try to take on major carriers or try and model themselves as a kind of hybrid high fares, no frills airline either. Business orientated, PSO and secondary city routes at a reasonable frequency are what Loganair stepped in to take over. No one could have predicted this virus and how it would damage aviation, so Loganair are deserving of some help, in my opinion anyway.
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