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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:40
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@GLAEDI steady figures in a fast growing market (see EDI growth rate in comparison) is a relative decline.
GLA continues to lose Scottish market share.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 11:03
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This is the latest in a long string of of lost routes, the number being lost for w18 is major and now this. Iirc All we have seen as replacements is an e145 to ldy, 2 weekly to vce and a month extra dl to jfk!

And the loss of PHL comes despite the latest ons tourism figures showing US visits to Glasgow up 40% in 2017 - No excuses there seemingly!

I think there must be serious questions about ags abilities to run the airport and compete with gip EDI - I suspect they're totally outfoxed and outfinanced. They need to come up with some big wins soon, although I'm not holding my breath!

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 13:46
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Despite the loss of some routes the figures are steady will be around 10m pax per annum not much of a Mickey Mouse Airport. Expansion finally happening in the International pier at Stand 30 and Immigration arrivals also.
Wasn't that mean't to be an A380 gate? I thought the prospect of the A380 at GLA was done for when EK annouced EDI?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:20
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Originally Posted by mullac30
Wasn't that mean't to be an A380 gate? I thought the prospect of the A380 at GLA was done for when EK annouced EDI?
Apparently its still coming but you would think that EK might wait to see how the EDI and GLA routes co-exist first.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
Apparently its still coming but you would think that EK might wait to see how the EDI and GLA routes co-exist first.
Seems like you're right, I just had a look at the planning permission and it mentions in a letter dated to 27th June 2018 that "The proposed extension to the terminal has not changed. However, plans have been revised to amend the two fixed links to accommodate three airbridges and external stairs.". Sounds like they are pushing ahead with what definitely sounds like an A380 gate regardless of the EDI announcement.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:36
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My thinking is the EDI announcement came due to the A380 coming to Glasgow, the 777 that will go to EDI will take the bulk of the cargo that the current 777 at Glasgow takes due to the reduced cargo capacity of the A380
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 19:03
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[QUOTE=Skipness One Foxtrot;10230145]

And yet Norwegian have shown enormous demand out of Gatwick and United maintain EDI at three daily in summer. ORD-MAN was self inflicted managed decline from AA and PHL-EDI aligns with the move out of JFK for connecting traffic. Oddly enough this shows the STRENGTH of the IAG/AA JV rather than a weakness at AA as LHR is a BA/AA fortress hub and they can connect easily to GLA whereas EDI has enough pull for inbound US visitors to remain direct


.The catchment area around MAN and LGW is far greater than GLA. Truth of the matter is and has been, both GLA and EDI are too close together. Imagine, one central airport. It would be a far better competitive prospect a d produce real opportunity for route growth and better frequencies. Alas, it will never happen.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 22:04
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Originally Posted by awwdabaaby
My thinking is the EDI announcement came due to the A380 coming to Glasgow, the 777 that will go to EDI will take the bulk of the cargo that the current 777 at Glasgow takes due to the reduced cargo capacity of the A380
Surely they would have just put a third 777 into GLA if that was the case?
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 13:30
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Any news on July 2018 passenger figures from GLA yet? They are usually fairly quick to report these.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 13:52
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Like most airports they are quick to report good news eg when they are rising.
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C.A.A data doesn't want to play somehow although its available via the Cardiff thread.
Passenger figures for Glasgow were for July 1,066,159 -1.5% compared to 2017.
Running total stands at 982210 +0.9%.

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Old 29th Aug 2018, 20:32
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
Any news on July 2018 passenger figures from GLA yet? They are usually fairly quick to report these.
They were available publicly yesterday, but I think you knew that.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 21:46
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They were available publicly yesterday, but I think you knew that.
No, hence why I asked. There was nothing on the GLA website.

Not great anyway.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 20:03
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Are Emirates sending a third daily flight into Scotland with EDI as well as an A380 to GLA? With Stand 30 now closed for upgrade works, are GLA spending money in vain?
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With Etihad stopping the day before Emirates start, there's little change in ME3 capacity from Edinburgh. But of course, the public will decide which airport they wish to use.
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Originally Posted by inOban
With Etihad stopping the day before Emirates start, there's little change in ME3 capacity from Edinburgh. But of course, the public will decide which airport they wish to use.
There is a fairly big change. The EK777 is an upgrade on the EY332 anyway, plus the EK departure is later at night and is 7 days per week (until runway works in DXB anyway) as opposed to EYs 5 per week in the morning.

I suspect once the runway is back to normal in DXB, they will attempt double daily from EDI. I don't think GLA will change to the 380 any time soon though.
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Agreed, so does anyone know if GLA are spending money going A380 capable OR simply adding a second airbridge onto Stand 30 for the B777 or Virgin B744?
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Terminal extension and triple airbridge being installed for completion by summer 19.

What people need to remember is that whilst Edinburgh is the darling of the tourist world and sees a huge amount of inbound passengers Glasgow is Scotlandís biggest city and so has the critical mass. This is why most of the charter and holiday destinations have historically departed from the West.

I believe that EK looked at operating the 380 previously but lack of cargo capacity was the issue. With the EDI flight some of this can move east alleviating the issue at GLA and potentially allowing the 380 to operate one of the flights.

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Old 7th Sep 2018, 08:59
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Originally Posted by LOGICAL
Terminal extension and triple airbridge being installed for completion by summer 19.

What people need to remember is that whilst Edinburgh is the darling of the tourist world and sees a huge amount of inbound passengers Glasgow is Scotlandís biggest city and so has the critical mass. This is why most of the charter and holiday destinations have historically departed from the West.

I believe that EK looked at operating the 380 previously but lack of cargo capacity was the issue. With the EDI flight some of this can move east alleviating the issue at GLA and potentially allowing the 380 to operate one of the flights.
if we look at catchment areas though, they are much closer together and the east in particular is growing at a faster rate. Airports donít just serve the cities.
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I agree the east is growing faster than the west but greater Glasgow has a population of 1.2m whereas Edinburgh has a population of under 0.5m.

As I said Edinburgh appears to have the tourists and the investment but Glasgow has a healthy catchment which is why Emirates have been flying for so long, and is why they are looking to up gauge one of the flights.

This is can all be achieved by putting an extra rotation through Edinburgh which is essentially picking up from where Etihad failed. This will take the cargo the 380 canít and everyone is a winner. If itís successful at Edinburgh there could be an additional daily flight but Emirates donít appear to rush into these things so this could be a few years away.
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