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Old 7th Apr 2018, 00:43
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
GLA could lose out on more EK capacity to DXB to EDI. Canít wait to see what happens here
I take it that your just assuming this?
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Originally Posted by canberra97
I take it that your just assuming this?
I think he loves the idea of people losing their jobs and has hatred all Scottish Airports apart from one. This is based on his numerous posts running down GLA,PIK,DND and ABZ. The demise of EY at EDI will hopefully mean a stable platform for EK at GLA and QR at EDI.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 07:12
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Can't see EK moving from GLA
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 07:35
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Originally Posted by GLAEDI
I think he loves the idea of people losing their jobs and has hatred all Scottish Airports apart from one. This is based on his numerous posts running down GLA,PIK,DND and ABZ. The demise of EY at EDI will hopefully mean a stable platform for EK at GLA and QR at EDI.
If you would like to point me to any of these numerous posts that would be great - Iíve never mentioned ABZ, PIK or DND so Iíd appreciate if you could retract your statement.

Iím just an interested bystander. Itís just fascinating to watch airports compete with each other properly. Iím basing it on what Iím hearing, and I said ďcouldĒ.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 09:14
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Wishful thinking, I'd say. I cannot see EK dismantling a twice daily GLA as it looks to do just fine and the loss of connectivity that you get on a single daily is quite significant. Whether they would consider EDI in its own right is another question completely but suggesting a move is pure baiting, I believe.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
Wishful thinking, I'd say. I cannot see EK dismantling a twice daily GLA as it looks to do just fine and the loss of connectivity that you get on a single daily is quite significant. Whether they would consider EDI in its own right is another question completely but suggesting a move is pure baiting, I believe.
I donít think they will either as the GLA service has been very successful.

What I meant was that the third daily often discussed as on the cards for GLA could be going to EDI instead and I believe it would be a success there too.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 14:40
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Instead of NCL getting a second evening service could they go for a evening service into EDI?

They like to have lunchtime flights first though
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I'm no expert, but surely it would be to the benefit of Emirates, the travelling public and in the long run, the airports, for Emirates to build GLA up to 3 daily with an A380 on the lunchtime, start an evening flight into Newcastle and then consider expanding to Edinburgh when they have further secured their existing services. This also gives Qatar a chance to grow EDI first, without creating an apocalyptic bloodbath...

I'd like to think that Emirates are more responsible than to flood the Scottish market. Qatar will do what they want, best to let them get on with their willy waving
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 17:05
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Correct me if I am wrong but I am led to believe that EK is a non starter at EDI, as there is no contact stand large enough to accommodate the 777-300, as it is 14m longer than the 332 (which is marginally longer than the 788).
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 17:36
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Instead of NCL getting a second evening service could they go for a evening service into EDI?
Unsure what on earth you are talking about, ie why bother making statement at all?
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Mister Geezer
Correct me if I am wrong but I am led to believe that EK is a non starter at EDI, as there is no contact stand large enough to accommodate the 777-300, as it is 14m longer than the 332 (which is marginally longer than the 788).
Not even on the terminal extension, opening this summer?
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 20:18
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Originally Posted by inOban
Not even on the terminal extension, opening this summer?
Haldane90's AvatarHaldane90 , 7th Apr 2018 19:02
EDI can accomdate up to a380 now with all works being finished come summer. I think they will have four stands that can take a 773.
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Old 7th Apr 2018, 23:28
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Skyman771 I think ncl is due to get a second flight which will be a evening flight.

What are the chances of the aircraft going to Edinburgh instead ?? I'm guessing none but you never know in this business
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 12:27
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HH6702, you do realise that Edinburgh and Newcastle are actually different markets? They aren't interchangeable...
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...doesnt mean any planned second aircraft couldnt be redeployed if felt to be more profitable elsewhere. How full is the current 773 on NCL- didnt think it was mid/high 90's
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 14:30
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
...doesnt mean any planned second aircraft couldnt be redeployed if felt to be more profitable elsewhere. How full is the current 773 on NCL- didnt think it was mid/high 90's
In 2017, Emirates carried 237,856 pax on DXB-NCL. The route is flown by the two-class B77W with 428 seats, giving an average load factor of 76%. To compare, Emirates have an 89% load factor on their double daily DXB-GLA service, and the average load factor across the Emirates network is 77%.

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Old 8th Apr 2018, 14:38
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Emirates

Interesting debate in respect of Emirates next step in Scotland or for that matter North East England or maybe more relevant to the Emirates thread.

Source: CAA Annual Figures for 2017

GLA-DXB 2017 passengers 466953 up 9% an average of 320 per flight or 89% load factor based on 360 seats assuming all flights operated (no idea) and that all were 360 config (they were not).

NCL-DXB 2017 passengers 237856 up 3% an average of 326 or 76% load factor based on 428 seats but of course Newcastle have in the past depending on the time of year get 3 class versions, which would mean the load factor is in fact higher than 76% but relevant if it is to stay a 2-class service.

So what will it be if EY leave EDI, as suggested.

1) Glasgow third service
2) Glasgow A388 & 77W (3 Class)
3) New EDI 77W service
4) Evening NCL service (That wouldn't affect any extra GLA service though I presume)
5) Some of the above
6) None of the above

Forgive me for those who live in NE England but option 4 seems to way off at present if Glasgow at 89% has got nothing as yet.

Option 1 - At this stage you think that there would be two chances - no chance and fat chance based on their BHX experience and even more illustrious airports such as Milan, Rome , Munich and Frankfurt have struggled in the past with frequency cuts although I believe the third service has been restored at most of these now.

I won't reference Manchester in this as their EK service has been outstanding and in a league of its own in general but they were once rumoured to get a 4th service and that has not happened.....yet

Perhaps eventually options 2 and 3 could happen once the 787-10 is in the fleet?

I just can't see 6 as an option - surely too good of an opportunity to be missed?

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Old 8th Apr 2018, 16:51
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Or of course Qatar could add a second service on some or all days.

Remember that from Edinburgh the shortest routes to Japan and China are further north via CPN or Helsinki. Although I have a friend who travels from Edinburgh to China every year and travels to GLA for Emirates. Must ask him why.

Edinburgh also has Istanbul as an alternative hub for Africa SE Asia and Australia. And if I wanted to break my journey, I'd want to do so in somewhere interesting.
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Old 9th Apr 2018, 10:58
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Originally Posted by inOban
Edinburgh also has Istanbul as an alternative hub for Africa SE Asia and Australia. And if I wanted to break my journey, I'd want to do so in somewhere interesting.
Turkish don't fly to Australia, and their coverage of South East Asia is quite limited. Not sure how old this route map is though:

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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
Turkish don't fly to Australia, and their coverage of South East Asia is quite limited. Not sure how old this route map is though:
Your route map looks like it's a couple of years old, but not much has changed since then. Turkish only fly to about 20 destinations in NE Asia, SE Asia and India. That being said, these destinations encompass the most popular destinations for connecting passengers, so for most people flying to Asia it's a suitable alternative to the ME3. Also, while Turkish themselves don't serve Australia, they do codeshare with Singapore Airlines, THAI and Qantas with connections in SIN, BKK, HKG and CGK; it just means passengers would have two stopovers instead of one.
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