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Old 20th Jun 2020, 05:15
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An advisor (whatever he/she does at Cyrus) has said they have not given up on flybe but it certainly looked that way pre March 5th.

Now while they are looking at Virgin Australia, are saying that they want to save flybe. Why wasn't this proclamation of commitment made anytime soon from March 5th.

Looks like spin to me but who knows.



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Old 20th Jun 2020, 22:54
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.... looks like a fiasco! pardon the spanish music..
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 18:53
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Re Cyrus

I would humbly suggest you ignore anything anyone from Cyrus Capital says until the first aeroplane pushes back. Rumours doing the rounds towards the end of last year were that Cyrus wanted out. The impression was that Virgin were the driving force (ha ha) while the going was good, Stobart wanted a slice of the regional action and were punching above their weight with another agenda and Cyrus Capital were in it for the short term and wanted to make some quick bucks.

As has been said on multiple forums, the 3 ďpartnersĒ were very strange bedfellows and while any one of the 3 might have taken a good shot at sorting it out, the fact that all 3 seemed to have different agendas made the whole thing a bit of a farce really.

But the main problem which has been highlighted by numerous people before was that Flybe had too much baggage and a business model that was a joke.

IF, and I hope it happens, someone with an ounce of business common sense and a lot of financial backing steps up and tries to fill the complete void that Flybeís demise has left, then Iíll be cheering loudly. Too late for me, but there are hundreds of top quality people out there that will be an asset to anyone that takes them on. But will a future organisation use the Dash 8.....................?!!
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 19:47
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I think even the name Flybehas become a toxic brand around the UK so whatever happens the end result will not be Flybe.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 20:58
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Flylo.......
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit View Post
Flylo.......
Joking aside, imagine if Stelios continued to offload his easy holding and popped up with easyFly.
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Old 21st Jun 2020, 22:36
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Joking aside, imagine if Stelios continued to offload his easy holding and popped up with easyFly.
Fun fact, EasyFly S.A. is a Colombian airline which easyGroup Holdings once sued
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 17:29
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It is a joke I have made before, you can fill the space with a BElow cost airline. Sorry!
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 05:15
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The investor who allowed the airline to fold is saying they haven't forgot about the airline they let fold. WTAF
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 15:47
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Originally Posted by cabsav View Post
The investor who allowed the airline to fold is saying they haven't forgot about the airline they let fold. WTAF
Because it wasn’t this investor that pulled out. It was Virgin that pulled the plug.

regardless, if Flybe raises from the ashes again it won’t have the heavy chains and shackles of the debt and costs of those flipping 195 and 175 holding it back. So in a very unfortunate way it will be a better and stronger company after going through the administration process.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 16:12
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Iíll believe it when I see it.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Set 1013 View Post
Because it wasnít this investor that pulled out. It was Virgin that pulled the plug.

regardless, if Flybe raises from the ashes again it wonít have the heavy chains and shackles of the debt and costs of those flipping 195 and 175 holding it back. So in a very unfortunate way it will be a better and stronger company after going through the administration process.
Thats what I heard that, but wasnt sure at the time, that Stobart Group and Cyrus Capital wants to make this work with franchise agreement with Virgin
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:32
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The AOC is gone...The resurrection will be the same as a new airline with massive set up costs unless you buy an existing airline with an AOC and no debt.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Island Jockey View Post
The AOC is gone...The resurrection will be the same as a new airline with massive set up costs unless you buy an existing airline with an AOC and no debt.
That's funny. It's still showing on the CAA AOC holders list. Do you mean the Operating License, as I believe that's gone/suspended.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Island Jockey View Post
The AOC is gone...The resurrection will be the same as a new airline with massive set up costs unless you buy an existing airline with an AOC and no debt.
it hasnít gone yet! The appeal process is still ongoing.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 23:13
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Originally Posted by cabsav View Post
Iíll believe it when I see it.
itís all available to read in the initial EY report. Feel free to read it and you will see who wanted to back it and who pulled out. Itís public knowledge!
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 23:14
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The UK CAA will come under some harsh pressure here. It is accepted in most countries in Europe and further afield that airline licences will stand during administration/bankruptcy to give them a fighting chance of an outcome. Here they are stifling business and risking jobs, every time it happens. I wonder how many jobs would have been saved over the years?
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 00:37
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The Flybe Operating Licence remains suspended but not yet revoked.

The statement about the UK CAA approach being more restrictive than in other EU countries isn't correct. If you take examples in Germany like Azur Air and BlueWings, the LBA has made proposals and then revoked OLs on grounds of financial fitness, and thereby brought airlines to a halt, long before the CAA has ever done. The UK CAA has taken a more laissez faire approach with airlines being able to reach their own natural demise rather than being brought to a halt by regulatory intervention alone. The only exception to this general rule of allowing airlines to meet their own natural end has been where legitimate safety and regulatory compliance concerns have arisen, such as in the case of a certain HS748 operator. At a general level, I don't really see that JSCL's criticism is valid or justified by the facts.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 00:50
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Albert I think your understanding is slightly outdated.

Look at CityJet Ireland. Look at LGW from Germany, admittedly they're gone now but when they went in to 'administration' the licences stayed in place to allow the business time to either come back or be sold as a going concern.

Then let's not mention the US Carriers going in to C11.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 01:25
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Perhaps the CAA is a bit too quick to prevent UK airlines that have gone into administration from somehow reviving themselves. That said, it had been clear from at least spring 2019 that Flybe was in deep trouble. Once Covid turned up, Flybe didn't stand a chance.
The time for reviving an airline is in the first few weeks after flying is suspended when the brand could maybe come back to life and the routes with most potential had not been claimed by other airlines. Even if Cyrus were ready to go tomorrow with Flybe v2, a delay of 3 months combined with a significant fall in air travel demand means the window of opportunity has almost certainly closed
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