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Old 17th Jun 2020, 07:25
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It looks like but obviously could be wrong, did it hit the 145 on a stand? My only comment but am aware to leave the facts to the AAIB, I hope they were not delay engine start on taxi. Does not seem prudent on an aircraft as someone else said has not flown in months. Fuel saving would seem irrelevant for a aircraft being repo'd.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 10:04
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Originally Posted by dixi188 View Post
Not if there is no pressure in the accumulator after being parked for months. (I mean the 1500psi N2)
Good point. If the checklist had been carried out correctly they could have pumped up the accumulator manually which is situated in the right hand undercarriage bay
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by redflyer View Post
Good point. If the checklist had been carried out correctly they could have pumped up the accumulator manually which is situated in the right hand undercarriage bay
Yes, but if the Nitrogen charge is depleted then there will be almost no parking brake available. The N2 charge is 500psi not 1500 psi on the Q400, (my error). A lot of people don't understand how an accumulator works.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:02
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Just a thought
Would that be enough damage to write the airframe off and turn it to coke cans ?
​​​​​​They might get more money for it as scrap ?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:15
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How much demand is there going to be for Dash 8 aircraft in the next couple of years ? Apart from Flybe, LGW have pretty much shut down
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit View Post
Just a thought
Would that be enough damage to write the airframe off and turn it to coke cans ?
​​​​​​They might get more money for it as scrap ?
Which one?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 18:56
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
How much demand is there going to be for Dash 8 aircraft in the next couple of years ? Apart from Flybe, LGW have pretty much shut down
I think everyone agrees regional travel will come back before long haul. Less consumer demand = less seats needed.
No point flying a half full jet over a short route, more economical to use a TP.
Whilst the Q400 isn't as economical as an ATR its still more economical than a 737 or A320. It will be interesting to see what Austrian, LOT, Olympic and other Dash/mixed fleet airlines choose to use first.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 08:25
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G-JECM which was having an engine change at SOU on 11th/12th departed to Maastricht yesterday.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 20:55
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As predicted, the regionals are filling the gaps https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...st-city-routes
I did hear that a select few ex flybe staff are talking about a likely resurrection of of the airline from potential buyers. If true, very irresponsible and childish to even utter that rumour as it gives false hope to people already in dire circumstances.





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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:39
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I did hear that a select few ex flybe staff are talking about a likely resurrection of of the airline from potential buyers. If true, very irresponsible and childish to even utter that rumour as it gives false hope to people already in dire circumstances.
... and yet here you are, the only person to post it publicly on this forum. Kettle black?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:53
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From the Australian Business Review Newspaper - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...3f8bfcc174bedb

If you don't want to pay its below. Bottom line is Cyrus know about the airline business and Peachy is still a director of Connect Airways.

Cyrus rejects fears Virgin Australia could go way of Flybe


Cyrus Capital is still hoping that grounded UK airline Flybe can get back into the air again, providing jobs for many of the 2000 workers who were laid off when it collapsed in March.

Jonathan Peachey was a key player in the consortium formed in 2018, Connect Airways, alongside Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Atlantic and Irish company Stobart Aviation that took over Flybe early last year.

Based in Exeter in southwest England, with hubs in Manchester and Birmingham, Flybe was the largest independent regional airline in Europe carrying eight million passengers a year between airports in Britain and Europe.

Never financially strong, Flybe was hit hard by the travel slump as a result of the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

After failing to get the requested support from the British government, it collapsed in March.

Critics of Cyrus and Sir Richard are pointing to the Flybe example, arguing that it shows the consortium may not follow through on all its promises to invest in Virgin Australia and could walk away from it if the going got tough.

READ MORE:Peachey knows how to engage with people Down Under|Cyrus proposes ‘hybrid’ Virgin|‘Green lanes’ to isolate trans-Tasman bubble
Mr Peachey rejected suggestions that Cyrus’s handling of the Flybe takeover raised questions about what could happen if it took over Virgin Australia.

“It’s definitely not the case that we have abandoned Flybe,” said Mr Peachey, who has been a director of Flybe since February 2019 and has been closely involved with the airline since the Connect takeover.

“I’m hopeful the administration process will enable the business to re-emerge from administration.”

He said Cyrus was still a “key stakeholder in the administration process”.

“We invested as part of a consortium with three shareholders. The shareholders committed over 100m to the business.

“We invested everything that we had committed to invest and an additional sum in the months prior to the business going into administration as a result of the impact of COVID-19.

“We are in regular contact with the administrator and we are doing everything we can to ensure that the business can emerge in some form from administration.

“There’s still a demand for regional connectivity in the UK.

“Cyrus is doing everything it can, along with the other consortium members, to ensure that a business emerges that can rehire the many thousands of employees who were dependent on it.”
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:56
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Word is that the CAA have put a stop to any further Q400 ferry activity until the incident in Aberdeen is understood and actions to prevent a recurrence are in place.

On the Flybe restart, this is not just idle chatter. There is quite a bit of discussion going on and although I can't find the link right now, there was something floating around from an Australian press source last week where Cyrus Capital had said they wanted Flybe airborne again as they were setting out their credentials as a potential bidder for Virgin Australia. It certainly seems to be more than usual rumours from the cleaners - not that all of them aren't furloughed too at the moment!
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 21:57
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Jamie, you beat me to it. Couldn't find it myself.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:04
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https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...flybe-revealed
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:59
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We invested everything that we had committed to invest and an additional sum in the months prior to the business going into administration as a result of the impact of COVID-19.
They're after an interest in another airline - doesn't this fall into the category of "they would say that, wouldn't they?".
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:08
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They're after an interest in another airline - doesn't this fall into the category of "they would say that, wouldn't they?".
Normally I'd agree. But personally I'm not discounting anything right now, especially given my knowledge of how Stobart conversations are progressing in the IOM.

It's an interesting time. Many airlines - if not all of them - are in shrink / reduced growth modes and are now laden with debt. There's going to be a huge surplus of aircraft hitting the market which will drive down prices and damage the asset values of existing carriers on their books, further hindering their ability to raise future capital and possibly pushing them in to bad equity situations with their lenders. Sounds like the perfect time for someone ballsy with deep pockets to come in - be it regional flying or around Europe - if you ask me.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:29
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Don't Stobart already have all that - what do they need a new Flybe for?
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 10:24
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Isn't Stobart Air an Irish airline based in Dublin, with EI registered Aircraft on an Irish AOC and without a single base in the UK?

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Two issues for Stobart - they've always operated as a franchise, so haven't got any infrastructure to e.g. sell tickets in their own name, and with an Irish AOC, will they be able to operate UK domestic flights after 31/12? Oh, and the whole lack of money thing....

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Old 19th Jun 2020, 11:16
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- Flybe might have made some sense when it was a going concern, but if the aim is to have a UK based regional airline new Flybe makes no sense when you've already got Stobart Air - much of which is standing idle and likely to be for a while. If you were serious you'd be moving now before your competitors get established on your cherry picked routes, or you'd start buying into them if you really thought there was a profitable market there...

Other than the EI franchise, I find the whole Stobart Group aviation strategy baffling (but what do I know!?!)
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 12:23
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We invested everything that we had committed to invest and an additional sum in the months prior to the business going into administration as a result of the impact of COVID-19.
I think someone is suffering from amnesia or is thinking others have forgotten. Flybe did not go into administration as a result of the impact of COVID-19. Additionally, how are all the former company's creditors going to feel about the idea of resurrecting what was a failed concern?
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