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Old 28th Jul 2018, 09:32
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I get that but it ain't going to happen. They need to get over it and move on. Find alternative employment elsewhere where they feel more valued or loved or whatever soft touchie feelie bs these people want to help them feel actualized.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 09:44
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Ryanair know the laws. Why do you not expect them to abide by the laws
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 09:51
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Think you'll find the public opinion will not be on the side of these people. The travelling public are fed up of the stupidity going on by some (not all) workers at Ryanair.

Nobody from the affected group has come on here and been honest enough to publish their gross salary and total benefits package, not one single worker at all. I'm sorry but this stunt is propaganda whipped up by disorganised union officials who yet again have completely misjudged the public sentiment. The public do not care one iota about these workers lack of feeling loved by their employer, people just want to spend their family holiday in the sun but even that's ruined now for many people.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 09:55
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
Ryanair know the laws. Why do you not expect them to abide by the laws
Specifically what law(s) are you alleging the employer may be breaching? Spell it out exactly where this is happening and under what specific law is being violated? C'mon let's hear it, get it all out there, in some detail please. Help the public understand your feelings.

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Old 28th Jul 2018, 10:04
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Sorry Mik but people like you are the issue and why the industry is the way it is.
Ryanair make obscene profits, they can afford to change.
This is the harsh reality for many industries. Your precious aviation industry is not a special case, it goes on in banking, hospitality, services sector, and so on. There seems to be some particular views out there that the aviation industry is rather special- it ain't. It's business. It's transport. Simple.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 10:43
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad View Post
Of course the public have little sympathy... people en mass are selfish and self serving. They don't care as long as they can get to malaga for Ä30. Who cares how their pilots and cabin crew are treated? However public support isn't really required to make Ryanair hurt and change is it?
I'd put it differently. The workers involved are likely putting their own jobs at risk and could find themselves pushing CV's out looking for new jobs. That is reality but seems these people are prepared to bet it all against the house. The house always wins.

Employers have a healthy gene pool of alternative prospective employees only too delighted to secure employment and good remuneration packages.

Remember one thing, any employer holds control on their business and will do all to protect share price and shareholder value. If shareholders walk, the implications for the business are extremely serious for everyone. That's the reality. But fire ahead with the worker strike actions lets see how it ends up but I fear it is not going to end well for these people.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 11:18
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Is aviation special? No, not anymore. It is however different in that it relies on a never ending supply of wannabes that have a minimum of Ä100k to buy training and 18 months minimum to spare earning nothing during that training. In some cases they then have buy their job, pay for their own airline training and either work zero hours contracts or pay to fly. So Iíd argue it is different from many industries, when taken in sum.
Mik3 you are right that FR have an endless gene pool of potential employees willing to sign up. I know 8 people this year that have done already. Two withdrew their acceptance when they found something with better terms, and the other 6 are there to get hours and then get out as soon as they can. Out of the dozen or so pilots Iíve known at FR only one remains, and is only there because they finally managed to get the basing they wanted.
Most businesses acknowledge some sort of stability is a positive thing. FR achieved it for a long time because there was nowhere else to go. Now they are chasing there tails trying to cover crew losses. But if this is the 21st century way to do business where shareholder value is the only thing that matters, weíre set for interesting times.
Suggest you google ďRyanair tax evasionĒ. Nothing has stuck but is ongoing. However I guess itís a responsibility to minimise tax burden to maximise profit. All in the interests of social benefit of course.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 11:21
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P!ease mik3bravo remember an employee should always have the right to withdraw his/her labour if all other avenues have been exhausted. It is not nice and I have done myself. I am afraid you sound as you would like to go back to Dickensian times and doffing your cap. Please never forget millions of people gave there lives so you could live in a so-called democracy.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 19:52
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Had friends returning from Rome to Stansted Tuesday evening,
there flight was cancelled after 6 hrs in a que to get to the desk, they were told no flights until Saturday, and that flight wasnít guaranteed to operate, they were given NO vouchers for meals, NO hotel accommodation, in fact they were told to find their own alternative flight to London no help what so ever NO transportation to FCO they finally got flights with Easyjet into LGW at a cost of almost £500 for the two of them.
they told me it was like a war zone, people with kids groups of young travelers with no money left over and they were all told no help will be provided by Ryanair and more or less to go away.

I just donít know how Ryanair is getting away with this.
FR is now an online airline. You book online and you checkin online so that is where information will be found and changes can be actioned if things go awry. The only non-online action is the actual flying, It is strange that people except an online outfit to all of a sudden have people, except aircraft personell, ready on the ground if something happens. You don't expect Facebook or Google to have somebody informing you in person when their service go wrong. Or Amazon comming to your door telling you why your ordered and paid for item hasn't arrived. And remember Ryanair states they want to be the Amazon of the travel industry.
There isn't really anything in the current rules that demand an airline have personell available for all eventualities, or that queries shall be handled within a certain immediate timeframe. They only demand that compensations are paid and bills covered at some stage. So it is up to you to feed, acommodate and reschedule yourself, and then demand a refund at a later stage from your original carrier. It probably means one shouldn't travel without a certain amount of emergency funds available.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 01:58
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
P!ease mik3bravo remember an employee should always have the right to withdraw his/her labour if all other avenues have been exhausted. It is not nice and I have done myself. I am afraid you sound as you would like to go back to Dickensian times and doffing your cap. Please never forget millions of people gave there lives so you could live in a so-called democracy.
Right to strike and free assembly is not in question. Use the official industrial dispute resolution machinery in place to arbitrate industrial labour conflicts but minimise your grievances in a manner which doesn't cock-up family summer sun holidays. Honestly, It's quite disgraceful how self centred employees become especially at peak summer flight holiday schedules. Get into labour relations discussions with company management and use the state available resolution channels and stop ruining people's hard earned and saved for family holidays. You do not have public support at all unless you play it correctly.

Follow the official procedures available to any industrial dispute impacting any industry:

See HERE

Be aware the instability at Ryanair is seeing passengers turning their backs on using Ryanair. Passengers are and will continue to buy flights from rival airlines even if the airfare is slightly more expensive.

You are causing brand damage which is self destructive and threatens further scaling back of operations and in turn impacts jobs. Your actions are dangerously destroying your future job security. Crazy behaviour when you consider how the company will reconfigure operations and could technically speaking re-register to another jurisdiction - if this industrial action begins to put the company at more serious risks. Be careful what you wish for.

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Old 29th Jul 2018, 05:57
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So mik3bravo all disputes are the fault of employees how nieve. Anyway let's move on. Whatever the problems it does not look good for Ryanair and unfortunately for Stansted this weekend.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 07:42
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You are causing brand damage which is self destructive and threatens further scaling back of operations and in turn impacts jobs.
After watching the TV this morning and the latest batch of Ryanair late cancellations I don't think Ryanair need any help in damaging their brand. Their brand is not helped either when they say they are not paying compensation when the CAA says passengers are entitled to compensation for many of the cancelled flights over the last few days.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 08:10
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Mik3bravo youíve obviously never dealt with Ryanair management then or been an employee. Itís very easy to say what should happen but youíre not dealing with a rational employer. The sheer numbers involved (pilots and cabin crew) at present in the majority of jurisdictions should be giving you an idea of the scale of the issues.

Unfortunately any strike in deepest darkest winter would be futile and the company would easily cover the lines of flying affected. Sometimes the only way is strike action in peak season; yes the consequences could be reduced bookings but letís not assume that would be a bad thing as it could lead to whole scale change within the airline and a better employer in the future.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 08:31
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
So mik3bravo all disputes are the fault of employees how nieve. Anyway let's move on. Whatever the problems it does not look good for Ryanair and unfortunately for Stansted this weekend.
I think if you read my posts that's not implied or stated.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 08:42
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Originally Posted by Reacher19 View Post
Mik3bravo youíve obviously never dealt with Ryanair management then or been an employee. Itís very easy to say what should happen but youíre not dealing with a rational employer. The sheer numbers involved (pilots and cabin crew) at present in the majority of jurisdictions should be giving you an idea of the scale of the issues.

Unfortunately any strike in deepest darkest winter would be futile and the company would easily cover the lines of flying affected. Sometimes the only way is strike action in peak season; yes the consequences could be reduced bookings but letís not assume that would be a bad thing as it could lead to whole scale change within the airline and a better employer in the future.
According to latest news on Sky, RTE, or BBC none are reporting latest update on this dispute. RTE Business section has the same article since Friday neither of the other two have any articles specific to the dispute. Only airline news being the weather disruption impacting the UK schedules now.

Agree to disagree but using the long established official dispute resolution procedures such as the Workplace Relations is the only way to resolve this dispute.

Minister for Transport will not interfere but their department will undoubtedly encourage both sides to get into the official dispute resolution mechanism provided by the Irish State.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 08:42
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Around Europe there are 1000’s of ex Ryanair pilots and cabin crew in tears over the latest round of industrial action to impact Ryanair, these are of course tears of joy �������� for the very many cabin crew who have be3n abused for not selling enough junk on board for the pilots who have called operations about an issue to have had the phone slammed down or told to F*** O** there is zero sympathy for Ryanair’s woes, as to the passengers, well Mik3bravo if the airline don’t give a toss about them( refusing to pay compensation) ( MoL which part of F*** O** no refund don’t you understand) then why should the staff.

Mik3bravo you seem to miss the point that damaging the airlines reputation ���� and finances is exactly the objective of the brave and almost certain to be forced out employees, only by Ryanair taking a financial hit will the shareholders start to question whether the directors are indeed fit for purpose in running a multi billion € business.

They have long wincned at some of their antitics but so long as the share price vector is near vertical have turned a blind eye, this remember is an airline that is a 2 trick pony, they are cheap dirt cheap & reliable, yes of course they are safe in the same way that Jet2,EasyJet, Tui. Flybe,Norwegian and all other European airlines are safe.

that reputation for reliability will take a serious hit if this industrial action continues over the summer and MoL cant and won’t back down, remember the pilots never asked for a 20% pay rise especially one with so many conditions attached that the chances of getting the 20% were about the same as winning their scratch card lottery, where even if you pick a winning ticket you get to choose between 125 envelopes only 1 of which has €1m in it.

So don’t stress over the public, most don’t give a toss about Ryanair or its staff, they rightly care only about cheap as chip flights operating on time and only the crews ensure that that happens day in day out.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 12:42
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This website is called the "professional pilots rumour network", and 98% of professional pilots are 100% behind the Ryanair strikes. We care very little what people like mik3bravo think, as it's about protecting the terms and conditions of our industry. Almost every airline in Europe relies on Ryanair's poor terms and conditions to keep a constant flow of experienced pilots flowing in without having to improve their own terms. If Ryanair improves their terms and less people leave, all the other airlines will have to improve their terms to carry on attracting people.

Don't give me this "hard earned holidays" rubbish. Everybody knows what they are getting into when they book a Ryanair flight, there's been enough media attention in the past year to know exactly what to expect. If you don't want to pay £20 extra to go with a proper airline that offers its staff legitimate local contracts and doesn't bully it's staff, don't be surprised when they leave you stranded
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 14:59
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@Vokes55 - Your last paragraph actually agrees with my earlier posts. Pax know what Ryanair means and you take your chances. I feel sorry for those families who can only afford to buy a Ryanair ticket for their families annual sun holiday but are being caught up in this dispute - it is not gaining public support and afraid pax will boycott Ryanair in the future and that will result in accelerated commercial pressures on Ryanair which will drive additional strategic decisions to scale back headcount and based aircraft, in other words further redundancies. I'll say it again and I'll repeat saying it, any employees at any industry who have employment terms & conditions which they believe are not acceptable then the most fruitful avenue and the best route to resolution is through presenting a coherent fact based case to the Workplace Relations where experienced labour law adjudicators can hear your case and bring the company into the process to begin formal negotiations. This dispute will not be resolved through the media or through an external third party negotiator who is outside of the official labour dispute negotiation processes which have been long established to assist in any dispute. Use the system which is in place and stop the unfocused fragmentated disjointed approaches currently playing out, the fastest route to resolution is Workplace Relations.
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 15:30
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Your beef isn't with me. There is a process and labour laws in place protected by Irish and European legislation. Take your case through to the Workplace Relations and let the officials there tackle the company and give the Worplace Relations every opportunity to exhaust all avenues before it can be escalated to potentially a legal case if such is warranted to achieve your desired outcomes. If Ryanair are found to be violating any laws they'll be dealt with accordingly in law.

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Old 29th Jul 2018, 17:47
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My airline is currently hiring on the B737. One new joiner out of two has previously flown for Ryanair. Speaks volume, isn't it?
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