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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:10
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I'm looking at Ibiza departures for today's ex-flight 1040 Ibiza - Manchester (MT1201) now E91713 1200 CAA diverted to Birmingham which isn't appearing on any on-line IBZ departure boards. Will this flight be happening/when or as it isn't appearing, has it been cancelled??
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:22
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Correct.

I would not want to be flown by a pilot under psycological pressure knowing he is being made redundant soon as plane lands. In addition what is to stop cabin crew from taking whatever they can from the plane on landing including the cash. This is not any different from what happens to any company that is in liquidation.
I sincerely hope you never travel on a bus or train as I'm sure many of their drivers are under immense pressure at some time or another, professional or personal. I'm not calling pilots drivers but I think if they are so frail that impending redundancy makes them dangerous then they shouldn't be flying at all - what about their impending medical or sim test? Or their impending divorce or recent bereavement?
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 11:32
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From Bhx Arrivals --Ibiza Evelop EVE 1713 12:05 Expected 13:57
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 12:02
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Originally Posted by ericlday View Post
From Bhx Arrivals --Ibiza Evelop EVE 1713 12:05 Expected 13:57
Thanks - looks like the E9 on the CAA website refers to EVE. I understand that it's a Spanish charter that usually flies to Cuba and other far-away destinations.

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Old 25th Sep 2019, 13:23
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Originally Posted by slfsteve View Post
While itís not very nice what has happened itís nice to see virgin and the Air France crew doing all they can to help get staff home
thankfully the crew safely flew home last night
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_ View Post


thankfully the crew safely flew home last night
No they didnít, crew still stuck in hotel in Cuba
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:32
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Originally Posted by Daily Dalaman Dave View Post


No they didnít, crew still stuck in hotel in Cuba
They arenít. They flew home last night, both sets of crew.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:32
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:56
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Are you being serious?
How do you explain the phenomenal success of Ryanair and Wizz? or moving into other sectors, Poundland, Primark etc
In Ryanair / Wizzair case they provide something that the customer wants with lots of flexibility but also a willingness to cull routes quickly that are not working. Neither are always cheap but any addons (transportation to city / accomm etc) are paid by customer direct to the provider where Airline is only acting as the introducor. Ryanair looked at every single activity and asked the simple questions, Can we avoid doing it ? Can we charge for it ? Can we make it more steamlined ?

TC had hundreds of shops with Rent / Rates / Utilities / Staff / Computers / Furniture etc etc so basically before they make a single penny on a holiday they would need to be able to pay for I reckon £3-400k cost minimum in every one of those shops. In an era where 90% of people have home computers / tablets / smart phones it is outdated.

In relation to Poundland / Primark, people always looking for cheaper and happy to buy something that costs next to nothing in one of these shops even knowing they are made by people paid just above slave labour wages around the world.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Blackfriar View Post
I sincerely hope you never travel on a bus or train as I'm sure many of their drivers are under immense pressure at some time or another, professional or personal. I'm not calling pilots drivers but I think if they are so frail that impending redundancy makes them dangerous then they shouldn't be flying at all - what about their impending medical or sim test? Or their impending divorce or recent bereavement?
Likely I already have and likely I will again.

Insurance companies assess the risk even bigger than anything I would have said and bearing in mind the Germanwings Fl9525 and MH370 the risk is one they would rather avoid. Don't confuse it as being a personal slight on them as in all likelihood I will be flown by pilots in the future who are ex TC, the pragmatic approach is to avoid the personal stuff in a bad situation.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by slfsteve View Post
While itís not very nice what has happened itís nice to see virgin and the Air France crew doing all they can to help get staff home
Pretty much all airlines will do it for crew members of another airline that folds if they can. There won't be an "official" policy because there cannot be but where space available they will do what they can. Aircrew you help may be a colleague in a month or two.

Old neighbour was a FO, stranded in Spain when airline went, Easyjet looked after him, well aircrew did as they had no guidance, Captain decided he was taking him and some of the cabin crew, Ryanair took others into Stansted. He joined Easyjet couple of months after. He flew as FO with the guy who brought him back and said Captain got queried as to number of NonRev passengers and put on report at base by jonny jobsworth. Report went to next level a senior pilot just scrawled "Well done that guy, great call, credit to us, pass on my personal congrats on doing the right thing" and sent it back.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post


Agreed. They would have been all over those Monarch slots if theyíd wanted to launch Gatwick.

The MT slots will more than likely go to EZY or BA.
Donít underestimate the new VS/Connect combo. This didnít exist when Monarch folded. VS is also in a much better place from an equity point of view with much bigger backers if push came to shove. Of course they probably wouldnít be willing to pay over the odds on the slots, but BA and U2 wonít get them on the cheap.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 12:38
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Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks
https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fl...irlines_uk.htm

All parked up aircraft are listed here at their parked location
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 13:48
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks
At least some of the above are now showing on FR24, so probably worth another check. Ignore any status of "Canceled" [sic] if you see a blue playback button next to the flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-niko#2234bcf4
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-tcdj#2234943c

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 15:35
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The MH A380 doing some rotations ex-GLA, so its A380 capable status has been useful. Interesting just as the EK A380 season comes to a close in a few weeks.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 19:05
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Think 9H-MIP ..the Hi Fly 380 is on its way down to LPA from LGW empty,..and due to depart there later destination GLA .5M1129 is flight no x
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 19:15
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British Airways helping out tomorrow operating CFU-NCL as BA1627
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 15:25
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL View Post
British Airways helping out tomorrow operating CFU-NCL as BA1627
After being delayed in Corfu its currently on the ground in Munich.
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Old 27th Sep 2019, 16:10
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I read somewhere that the government were footing the bill for getting Thomas Cook customers back home. However I am aware that when bookings were made and a ATOL certificate was issued, there was a small charge made for this. Where did that money go, does anybody know?
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