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Old 21st Aug 2018, 17:29
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
Well it’s official, one of MAN’s longest standing TATL Routes is no more, as AA won’t resume ORD next summer.

shame to loose such a long standing route, but given the managed decline of this route, this was inevitable.
Shame, as up until this last week, the on time performance has been rock solid. Maybe BA will pick up the route along with the JFK.

(Ducks under duvet hides from incoming verbal assault!)
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 17:32
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JFK (Idlewild) was one of our first routes, however, AA took the crown for longest continual service with same airline to same destination. Obviously had seasonal breaks but was ‘continuous’ service.

i don’t hold out much hope of BA starting. Perhaps Level if the brand ever gets shipped to the UK but for now the only hopes could be UA or MT.
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Old 21st Aug 2018, 18:57
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Courtesy of Airlineroute:

Thomas Cook expands Manchester – Orlando flights in S19

Posted 21 August 2018 06:30

Thomas Cook Airlines UK in summer 2019 season plans to increase Manchester – Orlando route, as the airline operates up to 13 weekly flights, instead of 9, during peak season.

22JUN19 – 20JUL19 Increase from 9 to 11 weekly (MT2804/2805 Day 6, MT2752/2753 Day 3)
21JUL19 – 19AUG19 Increase from 9 to 13 weekly (MT2642/2643 Day 7, MT2604/2605 Day 1)
20AUG19 – 07SEP19 Increase from 9 to 11 weekly
eff 08SEP19 Increase from 9 to 10 weekly

Following schedule effective 21JUL19 – 19AUG19.

MT2752 MAN1015 – 1435MCO 332 26
MT2940 MAN1015 – 1435MCO 333 7
MT2970 MAN1015 – 1435MCO 333 1
MT2604 MAN1100 – 1520MCO 332 1
MT2804 MAN1100 – 1520MCO 332 4
MT2604 MAN1130 – 1550MCO 332 3
MT2752 MAN1200 – 1620MCO 332 4
MT2604 MAN1200 – 1620MCO 332 5
MT2610 MAN1200 – 1620MCO 332 7
MT2768 MAN1220 – 1640MCO 333 3
MT2642 MAN1255 – 1715MCO 332 7
MT2804 MAN1255 – 1715MCO 332 6


MT2753 MCO1635 – 0555+1MAN 332 26
MT2941 MCO1635 – 0555+1MAN 333 7
MT2971 MCO1635 – 0555+1MAN 333 1
MT2605 MCO1720 – 0640+1MAN 332 1
MT2805 MCO1720 – 0645+1MAN 332 4
MT2753 MCO1820 – 0740+1MAN 332 4
MT2605 MCO1820 – 0740+1MAN 332 5
MT2611 MCO1820 – 0740+1MAN 332 7
MT2605 MCO1820 – 0740+1MAN 332 3
MT2769 MCO1840 – 0805+1MAN 333 3
MT2643 MCO1915 – 0835+1MAN 332 7
MT2805 MCO1915 – 0840+1MAN 332 6
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 08:45
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American Airlines Expands European Footprint and Modifies Asia Service

FORT WORTH, Texas – American Airlines is expanding its European network next summer with nine new routes designed to meet customer demand:
  • CLT: Daily year-round service to Munich Airport (MUC)
  • DFW: Daily summer seasonal service to Dublin Airport (DUB) and to MUC
  • ORD: Daily summer seasonal service to Athens International Airport (ATH) in Greece
  • PHL: Daily summer seasonal service to Edinburgh Airport (EDI) in Scotland; new summer seasonal service to Berlin-Tegel Airport (TXL), Bologna Guglielmo Marconi Airport (BLQ) in Italy and Dubrovnik Airport (DBV) in Croatia
  • PHX: Daily seasonal service to London Heathrow Airport (LHR)
Wow! I know spin doesn't usually include 'bad news' but the article does mention the loss of ORD-PVG but absolutely nothing about ORD-MAN?

In conclusion, AA think that the above routes are more profitable than the long standing exclusive ORD-MAN? Something has gone seriously wrong.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 09:09
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The Manchester loss is reported in an attachment to the main article. You have to go digging.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
The Manchester loss is reported in an attachment to the main article. You have to go digging.
Ah! There it is. American's own "Where's Manchester?" puzzle book.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Betablockeruk
American Airlines Expands European Footprint and Modifies Asia Service



Wow! I know spin doesn't usually include 'bad news' but the article does mention the loss of ORD-PVG but absolutely nothing about ORD-MAN?

In conclusion, AA think that the above routes are more profitable than the long standing exclusive ORD-MAN? Something has gone seriously wrong.
It looks like they are replacing it with Athens.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:52
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Originally Posted by Betablockeruk

In conclusion, AA think that the above routes are more profitable than the long standing exclusive ORD-MAN? Something has gone seriously wrong.
That's exactly what they think, and it's true because otherwise they wouldn't do it. What's the controversy?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Betablockeruk
In conclusion, AA think that the above routes are more profitable than the long standing exclusive ORD-MAN? Something has gone seriously wrong.
In what sense has it seriously gone wrong? I assume you’re not suggesting that American have got their sums wrong and are axing a goldmine route? In the same way as a celeb couple’s ‘trial separation’ rarely leads to a long term reconciliation, so an established year round route going seasonal will have an inevitable conclusion.

Given that their routes from MAN have always had a significant proportion of seats taken by travellers connecting through ORD/PHL etc, then it was certain that the expansion of point to point routes from MAN would have an impact. Although we would hope that the TCX and Virgin expansions will generate new passengers, it’s surely no surprise that traffic will also be taken from existing routes, especially if cutting out a change of aircraft en route becomes an option.

In many ways this is probably good news for the PHL service, as it will consolidate American’s connecting pax onto that service, increasing load factors and hopefully (from the point of view of their beancounters) increase yield.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 12:35
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I have just been checking my records for the Chicago route - which will have possibly included a short period when BMI were also on the route - and have the following figures for passengers carried in June of each year: I've also done a similar list for Philadelphia in the second column.

MAN/ORD.............................MAN/PHL
2005 - 25,585.......................12,525
2006 - 24,634.......................12,340
2007 - 24,537.......................14,449
2008 - 22,682.......................14,520
2009 - 12,152.......................15,111
2010 - 9,715.........................14,987
2011 - 9,917.........................14,653
2012 - 10,544.......................15,101
2013 - 11,156.......................14,386
2014 - 11,148.......................11,964
2015 - 10,537.......................10,576
2016 - 9,485..........................9,769
2017 - 7,891.........................10,991
2018 - 8,702.........................10,654

It is so obvious that the route has run it's course. What a shame.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:40
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Might be coincidental the pax figures dropping off in relation to on time performance of American Airlines at MAN in the last couple of years. I know i for one has avoided MAN-ORD (taxying for 2 hours+) and to some extent MAN-PHL (ball ache to transfer) in the last couple of years because of this reason and opting for LHR or ATL instead to get to my destination.
Presumably many others have come to the same conclusion also.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
I have just been checking my records for the Chicago route - which will have possibly included a short period when BMI were also on the route - and have the following figures for passengers carried in June of each year: I've also done a similar list for Philadelphia in the second column.

MAN/ORD.............................MAN/PHL
2005 - 25,585.......................12,525
2006 - 24,634.......................12,340
2007 - 24,537.......................14,449
2008 - 22,682.......................14,520
2009 - 12,152.......................15,111
2010 - 9,715.........................14,987
2011 - 9,917.........................14,653
2012 - 10,544.......................15,101
2013 - 11,156.......................14,386
2014 - 11,148.......................11,964
2015 - 10,537.......................10,576
2016 - 9,485..........................9,769
2017 - 7,891.........................10,991
2018 - 8,702.........................10,654

It is so obvious that the route has run it's course. What a shame.
It sucks that now they have finally got the right aircraft on the route and are offering reasonable on time performance, and traffic figures are slightly up on last year, it gets canned. Things have changed a good deal though, both at AA and at MAN since the route launched in 1986. Leaves a big hole in MAN's US coverage though, both as a destination in its own right and as a US-entry and onward hub. Could be a case where Manchester loses a city and gains another United?

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 21:12
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Isnt it funny that the plane that was specifically designed for thin routes is the plane that kills this route - and they say Americans dont understand irony !
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 22:42
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Warning. Customer complaint

outbound through T3 on Saturday lunchtime. Drop off quick although the £3 charge still rankles. Rapid through security. Smiling friendly staff. Perhaps the message is getting through from all the complaints in various media sources.
Return tonight. Passport control quick although only 3 of the 5 e-gates functioning. Baggage 55 minute wait from touchdown to first bag. Noted that the left hand exit door from the baggage area was still broken as it was 2 weeks ago. So either not repaired at all or poor repair.
shambles at car park pick up. All in all 70 minutes from wheels down to getting off airport.

Starting to hate Manchester as a customer experience. Comparison with Faro both inbound and outbound doesn’t show MAN in a good light.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 06:43
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Wheels down, taxi to gate, disembark, walk to and negotiate border control, walk to baggage reclaim, watit for and collect bags, walk to car park, load car and drive off site...in 70 mins. Is in me or are people just jumping on the bandwagon, 70 mins isn't bad to do all listed above ! I've been to Faro many times and still been onsite an hour after landing.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 07:24
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70 mins isn't bad .
Wow - really? You either work for the airport or don't have to travel much.
If that comment is symptomatic of an underlying attitude at MAN then no wonder the MAN haters are growing in number.
Through careful management of my business activities (and the fact it's summer as well tbf) I have been able to avoid the place for 4 weeks now and I feel better for it. Dreading my next trip next week out of T1 - the worst of all terminals.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 08:25
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The T3 air-land side exit gate has been u\s for weeks(if not longer) . Had the same issues at T1 too- long term unsercviceability (maybe still u/s?) causing congestion.
Security has improved in August from the diabolical levels of June. Although I still managed to rack up 25 minutes to get through T3 this week. The inconsistency being the problem, you don't really know if it's going to be 5 minutes or 120 minutes or somewhere in-between. Was stuck in T3 earlier this month with a 3.5 hour delay, hardly anywhere to sit and the chance of using any food outlet almost nil.
This week in T3 and our 30 or so pax told to go to gate 1 for immediate boarding only to find the narrow corridor blocked by a disembarking shuttle for 15 minutes, once clear our small group is faced walking the opposite direction to hundreds if not thousands of delayed people marching the opposite way from the security area. They really ought to have a separate facility for domestic flights, it does grind a bit when you look at the Flybe proudly saying quicker than road or rail on the engines -when it should add (except from Manchester).
The queue for the T1 ground floor lifts yesterday was out the foyer towards Greggs, the sooner T1 & T3 get bulldozed the better.
Meanwhile over in T2 on Saturday,my colleague (business class) was directed by Qatar check in to the extra security bag drop (desk 26- Man staffed) - this was manned by one person and the queue for that was one hour. This was followed by 30 minutes to negotiate fast track security- so another 90 minutes from check in to airside- resulting in no airside shopping or use of a lounge.
But of course we all love MAN and I'm just a whinging old fart, although I do remember when I loved this airport.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 09:04
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Excuse my ignorance but what are the reasons for an extra security bag-drop? Is it the size, shape or weight of the case, or particular contents that a passenger has declared? Can't say I've noticed long queues in T2 but I certainly have in T1 manned by just 1 person.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 09:25
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No idea, nothing unusual in size, shape, weight of his bag- all 100% normal. The same bag & contents recently having been checked in at T1, T3, Tallinn, Helsinki, & Dublin with no issues. However, Qatar at MAN for some reason were directing a lot of people this way (my suspicion was actually a problem with the check in desk baggage belt at the Qatar desks).
Normally the extra bag drop desk is for bulky shape luggage- but this was not the case on Saturday.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 09:42
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I’m sure the new TP when it is up and running will have the potential to be an improvement for the customers and airlines who use it: but unless the management pulls its finger out the customer experience is likely to continue to be poor. The current failures within the airport are symptomatic of a complete disregard for their customers.
Perhaps now the TP extension is in process the airport management should address how they should implement a step change improvement in customer experience.
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