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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:02
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I don't think there could be a worse time to submit expansion plans for SOU,with an accerarating " Climate emergency " dominating the headlines ,the prospect of SOU getting planning permission must be rapidly declining on a daily basis.There can't be much of a appetite for LPA to give approval , I think SOU owners and management missed the expansion boat a few years ago.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:26
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SOU stands a better chance than LHR given the public interest in LHR and the slightly lower national interest level in SOU
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
I don't think there could be a worse time to submit expansion plans for SOU,with an accerarating " Climate emergency " dominating the headlines ,the prospect of SOU getting planning permission must be rapidly declining on a daily basis.There can't be much of a appetite for LPA to give approval , I think SOU owners and management missed the expansion boat a few years ago.
We are all entitled to have our own opinion, I together with I suspect many others on this thread will disagree with yours, and the logic behind it. If applied I cannot see any prospect of LHR getting a third runway!


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Old 5th Nov 2019, 18:29
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although I am a fan of your explanations over the years regarding SOU development or should I say up and downs of its rather slow progress,I cannot see that LHR will not get the Third runway given the economics ,however SOU location,severve development restrictions ,and environmental issues,lend it to be a prime candidate to be eventually sold off at a handsome profit to the owners.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 07:22
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN View Post
We are all entitled to have our own opinion, I together with I suspect many others on this thread will disagree with yours, and the logic behind it. If applied I cannot see any prospect of LHR getting a third runway!
I fully agree with RW20's posts and Dropoffcharge & Sharklet's too, and I voiced all that myself last week above in here -

SOU has let the expansion ship sail, and will have more problems now getting PP for any expansions.

Yes they may succeed (hope they do, I use the airport, and I would like more offerings)
but this is last chance saloon to get it right IMHO.

- and as for a 3rd runway at LHR?
NOT gonna happen in our lifetimes...My Tuppence
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 09:53
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A quick look at SOU departures board today is showing 44 flights, compare that to BOU x 5, NWI x 5, EXE x 20, CWL x 19, DSA x 5 & NCL x 44. Not bad for an airport that some say should be consigned to a housing estate. Add a LCC with a select choice of routes and you have a thriving regional!

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Old 7th Nov 2019, 11:58
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
A quick look at SOU departures board today is showing 44 flights, compare that to BOU x 5, NWI x 5, EXE x 20, CWL x 19, DSA x 5 & NCL x 44. Not bad for an airport that some say should be consigned to a housing estate. Add a LCC with a select choice of routes and you have a thriving regional!
Exactly. The genuine posters on here really need to stop rising to the trolls though. Remember, no amount of logic will counteract their constant and irrational negativity. They are looking for bites. If you ignore a pest it will go away eventually. This thread has become the most embarrassing on PPRuNe by a mile, some people really need to grow up.
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Old 7th Nov 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
A quick look at SOU departures board today is showing 44 flights, compare that to BOU x 5, NWI x 5, EXE x 20, CWL x 19, DSA x 5 & NCL x 44. Not bad for an airport that some say should be consigned to a housing estate. Add a LCC with a select choice of routes and you have a thriving regional!
Indeed. In addition I think there were about 10 bizjet movements before lunchtime on top of that, with no doubt more this afternoon. Some people on here have a definite anti-SOU agenda for whatever reason. I suspect their affections lie with BOH as they're spotters there and they're worried about SOU expanding and potentially threatening their favourite airport. If you listen to those people (and let's face it, they're the ones who post on here most often) you'd be forgiven for thinking that SOU is an empty, desolate tumbleweed of an airport when in actual fact you've only got to visit or fly through it to see that it's anything but, even following the recent contraction of its main operator.
Yes, its infrastructure has meant that so far it has missed out on most of the UK-Europe LOCO action, but there is a plan in place to change that and vast sums of money are being invested to futureproof the airport. If you're someone who wants to see SOU do well it's actually a pretty positive time. If you're a BOH spotter with a penchant for trolling their local (perceived) rival, perhaps less so.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 16:27
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If I read it correct, a quick glance on Skyscanner shows BE S20 added and French regions holding up well with the continuation of 8 routes, Verona still in and as expected the removal of med sun. All in all could have been a lot worse with the expected VS cull!
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 16:32
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What expected cull? All the comments from Virgin Connect have been about regional connectivity - anyway, from their press release:

SOUTHAMPTON
o Increased frequency – Edinburgh (to 5 daily with new early morning departure); Newcastle (to 4 daily); Paris Charles de Gaulle (to 3 daily Mon-Fri and twice daily on Sundays)
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 18:11
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just been on south today about the flybe holiday flights and that people will have to travel to Heathrow and Gatwick

Why is the news so negative about Bournemouth
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 18:17
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  • Faro
  • Palma
  • Alicante
  • Malaga
  • Biarritz
  • Nantes
  • Bordeaux
  • Düsseldorf
  • Bastia
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 18:59
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Not sure anyone is surprised about Portugal/Spain as everyone had been pre warned about the removal of the 195’s. Düsseldorf is more to do with Flybe closing their overseas base and no reflection on SOU. I am surprised by the French routes being cut but the capacity is more than being made up by additional flying to Edinburgh, Newcastle and Paris CDG. I use CDG a lot so this is welcome news. The MD should’ve focused on that good news instead of talking about the cuts,

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Old 13th Nov 2019, 19:18
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  • Düsseldorf
  • Bastia
From a quick check it looks like TLN (Toulon) can be added to that list.
The regional France routes that look to have survived are BES, AVN, PGF, LIG, RNS, LRH and EGC.
VRN also looks to be still available, 2 weekly WeSa (as this year)
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 20:12
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From a quick check it looks like TLN (Toulon) can be added to that list.
The regional France routes that look to have survived are BES, AVN, PGF, LIG, RNS, LRH and EGC.
VRN also looks to be still available, 2 weekly WeSa (as this year)
TLN looks available on Skyscanner 1 weekly Sun!
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 20:56
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Originally Posted by Bournemouthair View Post
  • Faro
  • Palma
  • Alicante
  • Malaga
  • Biarritz
  • Nantes
  • Bordeaux
  • Düsseldorf
  • Bastia
Yet still more flights in a day than BOH gets all
week. Nice troll attempt
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
If I read it correct, a quick glance on Skyscanner shows BE S20 added and French regions holding up well with the continuation of 8 routes, Verona still in and as expected the removal of med sun. All in all could have been a lot worse with the expected VS cull!
Exactly. It’s Virgin Connect, not Virgin bucket and spades.

This has been on the horizon for years and now leaves the market even more appealing for the forthcoming Orange lot. Interesting that they just snapped up the TCX LGW slots for £36m. Are people on here really going to still be in denial about their forthcoming arrival at SOU? And a base at SOU will cost a lot less than £36m.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 21:28
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So EZY buying more slots at LGW and reducing the flights they operate out of SOU is the sign of an imminent presence? Why have BE dropped the sun routes - maybe they aren't core to the main business, maybe the EMB leases were expensive - but if the margins were there??

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Old 13th Nov 2019, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
Düsseldorf is more to do with Flybe closing their overseas base and no reflection on SOU.
This is incorrect... Dusseldorf is still a base this winter and has not closed down; additionally - SOU-DUS was always operated by Southampton based crew. I'd assume it just wasn't performing to expectations.

Also maybe worth noting that the press-release; "Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, has today (13th November 2019) announced the first phase of its 2020 Summer schedule featuring 104 routes with a total choice of up to 2,500 flights a week across the UK and regional mainland Europe." says that this is their first-phase of the summer 2020 schedule - so maybe other routes will see increase frequency, new destinations or return of destinations?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 21:57
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At last some sensible words,it's clear that River Joint is living in a dream world,if it was 5 years ago and the runway extension complete,I'm sure that Easy would be based at SOU.However it's whole new ball game now!.The airport missed the great opportunity years ago,the best that SOU can hope for is a few Sun route packages,and thats if and it's a massive if the development plans get approval.
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