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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 11:59
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Seems strange to me that a company such as KLM would only give the route two years at poor timings and not attempt to improve timings before quitting completely. They seem to make Inverness work at single daily. How long did they give Liverpool?
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 15:49
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It may be worthwhile considering that KLM are likely to have been less than impressed with Flybe's launch and expansion on BHX-AMS and MAN-AMS, so SOU-AMS could conceivably have had other motives. It will be interesting to see whether there is now any further rationalisation of UK-Amsterdam capacity, or indeed whether Flybe will up SOU-AMS again given it is now to carry any KLM traffic.

But from KLM's point of view, it's pretty difficult. There was no point in them putting a nightstop in SOU - virtually all nightstops leave the UK airports at 06:00 to meet the early morning wave at AMS. You can't do that from Southampton because of the airfield opening hours.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 16:15
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Just had a May reward flight SOU-AMS rebooked onto Flybe this morning. Have tried in past to travel via AMS but timings never worked out.
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 17:15
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FLybe are tottering on the abyss,SOU have vastly underperformed,KLM gone what's left?
If FLybe contract or even go what's left?
It's a poor situation that could have been resolved long ago with progressive management and airside development,but will this ever happen?
Like Brexit all could change!
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 17:37
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
FLybe are tottering on the abyss,SOU have vastly underperformed,KLM gone what's left?
If FLybe contract or even go what's left?
It's a poor situation that could have been resolved long ago with progressive management and airside development,but will this ever happen?
Like Brexit all could change!
It almost seems like willful neglect!

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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 01:32
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
But from KLM's point of view, it's pretty difficult. There was no point in them putting a nightstop in SOU - virtually all nightstops leave the UK airports at 06:00 to meet the early morning wave at AMS. You can't do that from Southampton because of the airfield opening hours.
So maybe not such a silly idea for them to contemplate a move to BOH, is no such time restrictions there. Anyone know what the average arrival time back into SOU in the evening is? As again SOU has a fairly early curfew at night as well.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 08:10
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If they were switching then pax wouldn’t have been rebooked on to Flybe services as has been confirmed by B170ppl
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 08:13
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
So maybe not such a silly idea for them to contemplate a move to BOH, is no such time restrictions there. Anyone know what the average arrival time back into SOU in the evening is? As again SOU has a fairly early curfew at night as well.
2230 monday - Friday. Saturday 2130, Sunday 2230, PPR till 2300.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Ejet1993 View Post
2230 monday - Friday. Saturday 2130, Sunday 2230, PPR till 2300.
Thanks for the info Ejet, so the next question is how many of those arrivals end up having to divert if they cannot make SOU before the curfew?
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 11:01
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Exceptions are sometimes made, I flew in on the Flylolo/Flybe flight from Skiathos on October 2, and after being told shortly after a very late departure from Skiathos that we would be diverted to Exeter - towards the end of the flight we received the good news that SOU would remain open for our arrival, and touched down eventually around 23.40. But I think generally the restrictions are enforced fairly strictly as it is all part of the planning consent for airfield operations.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 11:22
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Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath View Post
Exceptions are sometimes made, I flew in on the Flybe flight from Skiathos on October 2, and after being told shortly after a very late departure from Skiathos that we would be diverted to Exeter - towards the end of the flight we received the good news that SOU would remain open for our arrival, and touched down eventually around 23.40. But I think generally the restrictions are enforced fairly strictly as it is all part of the planning consent for airfield operations.
The airline would call swissport and ask for a extension request, then goes to airport and all departments get asked and normally agreed.
​​​​​​ the latest I've seen is 2345.
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 17:29
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Having viewed the airport's promo video for S19 just released, it seems Flylolo are now down to 8 routes being sold from the original 14 (although their website still shows 12 selling). God knows whats going on or if they have now secured an aircraft. SOU need some new airlines/destinations pronto as their Wikipedia page on routes is now looking very thin!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 18:33
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Surely there's going to be some good news for SOU soon!
How can management turn around? With airlines leaving, uncertainty with its main and now virtually only carrier,its time to pull out some good news!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 18:46
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I had heard that flylolo was going to announce who they will use in 2019 as a carrier and on what aircraft type, so still awaiting the news, unless anybody else knows
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 19:00
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
Surely there's going to be some good news for SOU soon!
How can management turn around? With airlines leaving, uncertainty with its main and now virtually only carrier,its time to pull out some good news!
Maybe EZY will announce AMS & PMI later this month as part of their S19 new routes schedule, was that a pig I just saw take off!!
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 19:14
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I had heard that flylolo was going to announce who they will use in 2019 as a carrier and on what aircraft type, so still awaiting the news, unless anybody else knows
see post 1039
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Old 3rd Dec 2018, 20:15
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It was rumered a sukhoi superjet was doing it. But I doubt it will even go. The e195 was capped at 97 pax. One time they put too much fuel and it leaked a tonne on the stand. Their prices are ludacris. £495 for Murcia in august.
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Old 4th Dec 2018, 12:14
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Admittedly the airport needs some good news but I would be very worried about putting too much excitement into Flylolo.
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 17:44
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According to their MD, SOU want the runway extension ready for S20. If you class the start of summer season for airlines as April, work could be commencing in the Autumn of 2019 (6/7 month timescale?)
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Old 6th Dec 2018, 21:49
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What's the chance of this runway extension getting approval?
If so can anybody actually give the TODA for 20 and the 02 LODA,are these distances sufficient for 320 neo operation?
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