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Old 27th Nov 2018, 07:51
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October Southampton performance was a little less disappointing than August and September with some strong domestic numbers. Overall passengers were down 3.1% to 171,000. 2m still holding for the 12 month rolling period. Load factors must be much improved because Oct'18 saw almost 9% less flights than Oct'17.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 20:22
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KLM pull out of sou

As of march 26th KLM have discontinued their Southampton - amsterdam route.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 04:34
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Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
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Originally Posted by Ejet1993
As of march 26th KLM have discontinued their Southampton - amsterdam route.
Bookable on the KLM website up to 30 March - nothing after that (other UK destinations are bookable).
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 05:54
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Originally Posted by rog747
Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
They wouldn't make an announcement.
I wonder if we'll see a codeshare with Flybe?
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There is already a codeshare as far as Iím aware. Both KL and BE flight numbers are available on connections.

What strikes me as odd is how SOU canít sustain this route given that one would have thought the majority of customers would be connecting. It always annoyed me how high the fares were for connecting flights. If they donít compete more effectively with LHR and LGW on connecting air fares then it doesnít stand a chance.

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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
There is already a codeshare as far as Iím aware. Both KL and BE flight numbers are available on connections.

What strikes me as odd is how SOU canít sustain this route given that one would have thought the majority of customers would be connecting. It always annoyed me how high the fares were for connecting flights. If they donít compete more effectively with LHR and LGW on connecting air fares then it doesnít stand a chance.

Lack of an overnight aircraft will hamstring it as it misses many of the US flights and morning European connections.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:17
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The one way fares to AMS in March are dirt cheap - if confirmed, certainly challenges the perception that SOU is a goldmine waiting to be exploited. They make MME, HUY, NWI work. Runway length, parking stands, backtracking etc can't be having that much of an impact on KLM?
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:27
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The one way fares to AMS in March are dirt cheap - if confirmed, certainly challenges the perception that SOU is a goldmine waiting to be exploited. They make MME, HUY, NWI work. Runway length, parking stands, backtracking etc can't be having that much of an impact on KLM?
All 3 of them have an overnighting aircraft. Even without one you'd have thought SOU would be sustainable.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:41
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It's not looking good for SOU,how many airlines over the last few years have come and gone?,if FLybe remain they will surely cut some services.
The lack of airside investment has finally hit hard,with BOU on the up with what seems a progressive management attracting routes,perhaps AMS is next on there list?
Can SOU survive long-term? ,It's got to be a question on many lips.
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 07:45
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Originally Posted by rog747
Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
I work at SOU and we all got a email regarding it
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 09:36
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The lack of airside investment has finally hit hard
This is the normal reason that gets trotted out, but how would this impact on KL's operation and any decision that they have taken?

or the other airlines which have come and gone? Maybe it is what it is and BE are serving the market that is there?
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 09:52
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Airside investment wouldn't make any difference to KLM. The runway and stands can easily cope with E175/190 flying a very short route and there is enough for one to overnight as well if they wanted to. It must be quite concerning for the airport having just released an ambitious expansion plan to potentially not even be able to sustain KLM's hub link. I also would presume they are currently the second largest carrier passenger wise, meaning if these rumours are true the dependence on Flybe will have increased even further...
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Very interesting times indeed.

I do think itís odd for KLM to onky do a double daily service with no overnight aircraft when they can sustain 4 times daily at Bristol while also comoeting with easyJet. Perhaps itís a lack of aircraft availability? Has KLM been doing much advertising in the region? I noticed a couple of TV ads...
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 11:23
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Disappointing and surprised for Southampton to loose KLM after 2 years on the route

Prehaps the market just isnít there, that they think there is , and only room for Flybe

Could be a whole host of things we are not privy to for them to pull out , but it certainly doesnít help the image of the airport if they canít attract the likes of Air France and KLM to the airport

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While I'm not privy to the details, it may be a case of leaving this to Flybe/codeshare in favour of starting something else with those slots...

..still its not to late to load flights!
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The puzzling thing about this is that on the face of it, the flights appeared to be doing well. There were sometimes light loads on the midweek morning flights, but most rotations appeared to be at least 90% LF, often full. So you'd assume the business class seats were selling as well as economy, which would have helped yield.
Of course the only people who'll know are KLM.
The route will continue with Flybe and I guess we could see a return to the old days of a KLM codeshare.
It's a kick in the stones for the airport though, losing a world-renowned carrier and skyteam alliance connection. 2mppa might be harder to maintain next year as a result. By my maths that'll be approximately 100,000 less seats per year without KLM.
I really thought that KLM were one of those airlines who, once they started serving somewhere, stuck with it. What was the last airport that they dropped in the UK, was it Liverpool?
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 12:01
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I really hope this is not actually happening and just a
rumour. I take this flight a lot and much prefer the jet over Flymaybes Q400
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Old 1st Dec 2018, 12:13
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Seems strange timing when BE's situation is unresolved and KLM could have potentially capitalised on any AMS route reduction as part of a BE/new owner network cull!
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
I really hope this is not actually happening and just a
rumour. I take this flight a lot and much prefer the jet over Flymaybes Q400
Looks like it's true, flights for next summer were on sale a few weeks ago but I've just looked again and there's nothing on sale from the 26th March onwards. That's a real shame. Back to the Q400 for all of us then!
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