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Unfortunately a lot of scaremongering about a strain of flu. Too much BS regarding this.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 22:14
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Flybe at Southampton

Such a shock to see a so well established part of aviation in Southampton go. Have had a look over some of the routes flown by them over the years, and it is quite a list (I am aware some were served by Blue Islands/Eastern as franchises at times). Fingers crossed by S21 there is another carrier basing a few aircraft in SOU, hopefully departing from the freshly extended runway...

Austria

Innsbruck (2013-2014)
Salzburg (2005-2017)

Belgium

Brussels (2007-2012)

Croatia

Dubrovnik (2009-2010)
Split (2009-2010)

France

Angers (2006)
Avignon (2006-2019)
Bastia (2015-2019)
Bergerac (2003-2020)
Beziers (2011-2013)
Biarritz (2016-2019)
Brest (2005-2020)
Bordeaux (2005-2006, 2008-2019)
Chambery (2005-2020)
Cherbourg (2005-2008)
Clermont-Ferrand (2011-2014)
Grenoble (2013-2015)
La Rochelle (2005-2019)
Limoges (2005-2020)
Lyon (2016-2018)
Nantes (2012-2019)
Nice (2007-2014)
Paris CDG (2007-2011, 2016-2020)
Paris Orly (2011-2017)
Pau (2011-2012)
Perpignan (2005-2019)
Rennes (2005-2019)
Rodez (2018)
Toulon (2016-2019)
Toulouse (2004-2005)
Tours (2012)

Germany

Dusseldorf (2006-2013, 2015-2019)
Frankfurt (2007-2012)
Hanover (2006-2014)
Munich (2016-2017)

Italy

Milan Bergamo (2004-2005)
Milan Malpensa (2015)
Verona (2010-2019)

Netherlands

Amsterdam (2006-2020)

Portugal

Faro (2006-2019)

Republic of Ireland

Dublin (2003-2020)
Galway (2006-2008)

Spain

Alicante (2004-2019)
Barcelona (2013)
Ibiza (2004-2005)
Malaga (2004-2019)
Murcia (2005-2008)
Palma (2005-2019)

Switzerland

Berne (2005-2012)
Geneva (2003-2020)

United Kingdom

Aberdeen (2008-2010, 2017-2019)
Belfast City (2003-2020)
East Midlands (2017)
Edinburgh (2004-2020)
Exeter (2017)
Glasgow (2004-2020)
Guernsey (2004-2020)
Inverness (2008-2013)
Isle of Man (2007-2013)
Jersey (2003-2020)
Leeds Bradford (2005-2019)
Liverpool (2005-2008)
Manchester (2005-2020)
Newcastle (2005-2020)
Newquay (2008)

I count 64 destinations in 12 countries, which is quite a few more than I guessed it was and a rather remarkable 26 in France!


Shortest route: Southampton - Cherbourg at 90mi/78nmi
Longest route: Southampton - Dubrovnik at 1092mi/949nmi


Longest served routes (all served continuously for nearly 17 years)

Southampton - Belfast City
Southampton - Bergerac
Southampton - Dublin
Southampton - Geneva
(became a seasonal ski route after the first few years)
Southampton - Jersey



http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=sou-inn...qy&MS=bm&DU=nm

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Old 7th Mar 2020, 00:53
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Flybe former routes ex Southampton

Alghero in Italy was also served by Flybe from Southampton albeit a charter flight on behalf of a tour operator which I can't remember the name of.

Prague in the Czech Republic was also briefly served by Flybe from Southampton in 2001/2002.

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Old 7th Mar 2020, 06:27
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Flybe former routes ex Southampton

Besides the former Flybe routes ex Southampton the airport has seen several other airlines and routes disappear over the course of the last decade or two including the following scheduled airlines and destinations.

Aer Lingus...Cork
Air Berlin... Paderborn
Air France... Paris CDG, Paris Orly
BMI Regional... Munich
​​​​​KLM... Amsterdam
VLM... Antwerp, Brussels
Volotea... Ibiza, Palma
Vueling... Barcelona

I haven't included the former British Airways City Flyer destinations as they were replaced by Flybe.

Plus in the past Southampton Airport had the IT charters to the following destinations operated by the likes of Air Europa, Air Malta, BH Air, Euro Atlantic Airways, Iberoworld, Oasis, Spanair, Transeuropa, TUI (Britannia Airways and Thomson), Volotea.

Alicante
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Malta
Menorca
Palma
Tenerife
Varna

It's amazing really that Southampton Airport have certainly lost alot of airlines and destinations over the years.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:07
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Eastern have opened up their booking engine and appear to be loading the new flights.

Manchester - Starts Thurs 11/03 at 5 weekly (Mon-Fri) with the aircraft down as a '100' - leased Fokker 100? Schedule suggests a Southampton based aircraft and that it will be 11 weekly (2x Mon-Fri + 1x Sun) so flights may not be fully loaded yet.
Newcastle - Starts Mon 16/03, appears to be 11 weekly on a based E145. Another booking quirk on this one where only one southbound flight per day appears bookable at the moment.

Good to see them pick up these routes at such short notice, even if it is a large capacity drop (although NCL will be very nicely served once Loganair start as well - similar capacity to before but more flights to choose from). Hopefully they will have been/or getting into contact with some of the former Flybe staff to crew them.
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Besides the former Flybe routes ex Southampton the airport has seen several other airlines and routes disappear over the course of the last decade or two including the following scheduled airlines and destinations.

Aer Lingus...Cork
Air Berlin... Paderborn
Air France... Paris CDG, Paris Orly
BMI Regional... Munich
​​​​​KLM... Amsterdam
VLM... Antwerp, Brussels
Volotea... Ibiza, Palma
Vueling... Barcelona

I haven't included the former British Airways City Flyer destinations as they were replaced by Flybe.

Plus in the past Southampton Airport had the IT charters to the following destinations operated by the likes of Air Europa, Air Malta, BH Air, Euro Atlantic Airways, Iberoworld, Oasis, Spanair, Transeuropa, TUI (Britannia Airways and Thomson), Volotea.

Alicante
Faro
Ibiza
Malaga
Malta
Menorca
Palma
Tenerife
Varna

It's amazing really that Southampton Airport have certainly lost alot of airlines and destinations over the years.
it just underlines what potential SOU had,but sadly the owners and management failed to develop the airport into what it should have been i.e the south's regional airport.
alas this has all gone now,and I believe the airport might regain some of the lost routes,but without the runway capacity it's going to be only a few.
PAX numbers will probably be behind Bournemouth for the first time in a lot of years.How things change!
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:42
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Originally Posted by adfly
Such a shock to see a so well established part of aviation in Southampton go. Have had a look over some of the routes flown by them over the years, and it is quite a list (I am aware some were served by Blue Islands/Eastern as franchises at times). Fingers crossed by S21 there is another carrier basing a few aircraft in SOU, hopefully departing from the freshly extended runway...

Austria

Innsbruck (2013-2014)
Salzburg (2005-2017)

Belgium

Brussels (2007-2012)

Croatia

Dubrovnik (2009-2010)
Split (2009-2010)

France

Angers (2006)
Avignon (2006-2019)
Bastia (2015-2019)
Bergerac (2003-2020)
Beziers (2011-2013)
Biarritz (2016-2019)
Brest (2005-2020)
Bordeaux (2005-2006, 2008-2019)
Chambery (2005-2020)
Cherbourg (2005-2008)
Clermont-Ferrand (2011-2014)
Grenoble (2013-2015)
La Rochelle (2005-2019)
Limoges (2005-2020)
Lyon (2016-2018)
Nantes (2012-2019)
Nice (2007-2014)
Paris CDG (2007-2011, 2016-2020)
Paris Orly (2011-2017)
Pau (2011-2012)
Perpignan (2005-2019)
Rennes (2005-2019)
Rodez (2018)
Toulon (2016-2019)
Toulouse (2004-2005)
Tours (2012)

Germany

Dusseldorf (2006-2013, 2015-2019)
Frankfurt (2007-2012)
Hanover (2006-2014)
Munich (2016-2017)

Italy

Milan Bergamo (2004-2005)
Milan Malpensa (2015)
Verona (2010-2019)

Netherlands

Amsterdam (2006-2020)

Portugal

Faro (2006-2019)

Republic of Ireland

Dublin (2003-2020)
Galway (2006-2008)

Spain

Alicante (2004-2019)
Barcelona (2013)
Ibiza (2004-2005)
Malaga (2004-2019)
Murcia (2005-2008)
Palma (2005-2019)

Switzerland

Berne (2005-2012)
Geneva (2003-2020)

United Kingdom

Aberdeen (2008-2010, 2017-2019)
Belfast City (2003-2020)
East Midlands (2017)
Edinburgh (2004-2020)
Exeter (2017)
Glasgow (2004-2020)
Guernsey (2004-2020)
Inverness (2008-2013)
Isle of Man (2007-2013)
Jersey (2003-2020)
Leeds Bradford (2005-2019)
Liverpool (2005-2008)
Manchester (2005-2020)
Newcastle (2005-2020)
Newquay (2008)

I count 64 destinations in 12 countries, which is quite a few more than I guessed it was and a rather remarkable 26 in France!


Shortest route: Southampton - Cherbourg at 90mi/78nmi
Longest route: Southampton - Dubrovnik at 1092mi/949nmi


Longest served routes (all served continuously for nearly 17 years)

Southampton - Belfast City
Southampton - Bergerac
Southampton - Dublin
Southampton - Geneva
(became a seasonal ski route after the first few years)
Southampton - Jersey



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Great post, had forgotten about half of these routes. I'm sure some of these could return if they were served by a low cost operator (yes investment dependent).

Some interesting comments in the below article from LM's chief exec on SOU. I have picked out the following: -

ďWeíll probably see some announcements from other airlines over the next couple of weeks,Ē

"Within six months, probably 80 per cent will be filled again with somebody. About 20 per cent probably shouldnít be.Ē

ďWeíre very, very supportive of the runway upgrade project in Southampton because actually, to be able to operate all types of aircraft in Loganairís fleet, this runway is quite limited,Ē


https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/182...ief-executive/

Interesting that even LM's small planes cannot operate fully from SOU's runway. I hope SOU are flagging up comments like this and the one from FR to the local authority, and pilling the pressure on them. It is good that operators are picking up routes, but without basing aircraft, the level of local employment is never going to recover. You would hope that employment concerns would outweigh the environmental argument (although legislation might mean their hands are tied). As things stand, I cannot see any of the regional operators ever opening a base at SOU, only one of the low cost operators, and that's only IF the improvements are ever allowed.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:00
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it just underlines what potential SOU had,but sadly the owners and management failed to develop the airport into what it should have been i.e the south's regional airport
Doesn't the range of range of operators and routes suggest it isn't just the management? It's airlines that start and stop routes - not airport operators.

Interesting that even LM's small planes cannot operate fully from SOU's runway.
The 145's are ex BMI Regional, and some ex BA Connect, so nowt new!
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:47
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Originally Posted by adfly
Eastern have opened up their booking engine and appear to be loading the new flights.

Manchester - Starts Thurs 11/03 at 5 weekly (Mon-Fri) with the aircraft down as a '100' - leased Fokker 100? Schedule suggests a Southampton based aircraft and that it will be 11 weekly (2x Mon-Fri + 1x Sun) so flights may not be fully loaded yet.
Newcastle - Starts Mon 16/03, appears to be 11 weekly on a based E145. Another booking quirk on this one where only one southbound flight per day appears bookable at the moment.

Good to see them pick up these routes at such short notice, even if it is a large capacity drop (although NCL will be very nicely served once Loganair start as well - similar capacity to before but more flights to choose from). Hopefully they will have been/or getting into contact with some of the former Flybe staff to crew them.
Somebody said its the EJET 170 as its designated as 100LR.....for your info
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Alghero in Italy was also served by Flybe from Southampton albeit a charter flight on behalf of a tour operator which I can't remember the name of.
Prague in the Czech Republic was also briefly served by Flybe from Southampton in 2001/2002.
Also planned Flybe weekly charter series from SOU was Mahon Menorca on Sat for TUI and Verona Weds and Sats for Inghams
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"You would hope that employment concerns would outweigh the environmental argument "

not if you are a Green
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On the SOU twitter feed someone has just asked about routes to AMS and DUB, and the response they got was "watch this space, more announcements to come..."
Sounds promising.
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As much as I am excited to hear about Loganair and Eastern filling the gaps I am alarmed at the speed and frequency of gap filling. Letís not forget that Flybe was a hybrid semi low fare regional. Loganair and Eastern are not. Their fares will be higher so the passenger volumes will be smaller. I expect either much much lower load factors or a reduction in frequency in time.

To have SOU to NCL/MME region at 8 daily flights is ludicrous. I want sustainability not fireworks that fizzle out after a year.
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Originally Posted by Irish Cream
As much as I am excited to hear about Loganair and Eastern filling the gaps I am alarmed at the speed and frequency of gap filling. Letís not forget that Flybe was a hybrid semi low fare regional. Loganair and Eastern are not. Their fares will be higher so the passenger volumes will be smaller. I expect either much much lower load factors or a reduction in frequency in time.

To have SOU to NCL/MME region at 8 daily flights is ludicrous. I want sustainability not fireworks that fizzle out after a year.

The prices are very reasonable! Flybe charged £35 for so many bags, Loganair and T3 include a bag and onboard drink and snack. T3 are charging £96 return at the moment for Manchester, which is pretty good! Plus it's a e170, not a prop. Pax prefer that.
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Dublin was launched in 1997 I believe - on a BA -con 145 twice daily
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Originally Posted by rog747
Also planned Flybe weekly charter series from SOU was Mahon Menorca on Sat for TUI and Verona Weds and Sats for Inghams
I didn't add Mahon or Verona as you had already mentioned those two destinations in one of your previous posts.

Mahon was indeed a planned weekly charter flight by Flybe to be operated on behalf of TUI.

Adfly had already listed Verona as one of the former scheduled Flybe routes ex Southampton that's why I hadn't listed it.

Although Verona was being used by Inghams it was also a Flybe scheduled destination open to the public on their website for booking unlike the Mahon flight which was purely a charter flight to be operated behalf of TUI.

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Originally Posted by Ejet1993
The prices are very reasonable! Flybe charged £35 for so many bags, Loganair and T3 include a bag and onboard drink and snack. T3 are charging £96 return at the moment for Manchester, which is pretty good! Plus it's a e170, not a prop. Pax prefer that.
Fares that low for a flight on a 170 will not last, itís simply not sustainable. Eastern's fares have always been high, and with the smaller capacity, they need to be to stand any chance of covering costs. Anyone who says they can put a 170 on the route and charge cheap fares is deluded!

There is far too much capacity on the NCL/ MME route and something will have to change to see any longevity on these routes.
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Fares that low for a flight on a 170 will not last, itís simply not sustainable. Eastern's fares have always been high, and with the smaller capacity, they need to be to stand any chance of covering costs. Anyone who says they can put a 170 on the route and charge cheap fares is deluded!

There is far too much capacity on the NCL/ MME route and something will have to change to see any longevity on these routes.
Can't win can they? It's usually "rip-off Eastern". If you look at the booking engine, there's are only a limited number of fares at the entry level before before they increase. Doubt whether they're paying much for the a/c - it's been sitting idle for the best part of the year, so let's see how it goes.

I agree about NCL/MME (and LBA). There'll be a shake out there.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
Fares that low for a flight on a 170 will not last, itís simply not sustainable. Eastern's fares have always been high, and with the smaller capacity, they need to be to stand any chance of covering costs. Anyone who says they can put a 170 on the route and charge cheap fares is deluded!

There is far too much capacity on the NCL/ MME route and something will have to change to see any longevity on these routes.
Exactly with Loganair already confirmed for NCL to SOU and with Eastern Airways commencing MME tomorrow the 09 March 2020 you would have thought that Belfast would have been a better option for the airline considering that no other airline has picked it up yet.

Surely Belfast is as much of a key route from Southampton as Newcastle is and I'm very surprised that it wasn't one of first destinations to be announced by either Eastern Airways or Loganair.

With Southampton Airport having to wait until June for Loganair to resume a flight to Edinburgh I wonder how long it will take before either of them announce Belfast.
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Can't win can they? It's usually "rip-off Eastern". If you look at the booking engine, there's are only a limited number of fares at the entry level before before they increase. Doubt whether they're paying much for the a/c - it's been sitting idle for the best part of the year, so let's see how it goes.

I agree about NCL/MME (and LBA). There'll be a shake out there.
Well to be fair to Eastern, their prices are one of the main reasons they never made an operating loss and remained in business for many many years, until relatively recently. Unless your EasyJet or Ryanair operating high volumes, then you canít charge cheap fares and remain as a viable business.

Easternís problem now, having lost the IAC contract, is they have lost a huge amount of revenue from the business which has been the main revenue earner since they took over the IAC contract in 2008 (I think it was?) that void has to be filled somehow. Iím just not convinced that UK domestic is going to be the answer.
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