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Old 16th Nov 2018, 06:30
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Whilst we hope that Flybe can restructure and/or find a buyer, KPMG have just been brought in and they may not be BE's ''white knight''

If the worst does happen, I do have a small feeling that Easy Jet, having successfully opened up SEN may well have a good look at SOU to open a base there - my only reservations is the type and size of their aircraft.
The A319 has around 150/156 seats and I gather flights out of SOU will see payload restrictions due to the derated engines the a/c have (even to shorter destinations)
The A320 has 180/186 seats but is less affected by payload problems BUT is a massive jump in size for routes out of SOU (even the high season sun routes or peak time GLA EDI DUB MAN or CDG for instance)

But the train link to the SOU station is worth its weight in gold and correct and clever marketing could well get the traffic increasing - seen as a attractive southern and west alternative to the London or even Bristol airport(s)

It's not going to be without a bumpy path ahead
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 08:57
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Loganair have just announced Bournemouth to Channel Islands from next April
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 09:12
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Loganair have just announced Bournemouth to Channel Islands from next April
yes good news, summer only and JER x 3 (MON FRI SAT) and GCI x 1 (SAT) using EMB 135 jets - seem to be on a W pattern operation
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 09:41
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It won't have any impact on SOU at all given the frequency and seasonality of the route so SOU can rest easy.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
It won't have any impact on SOU at all given the frequency and seasonality of the route so SOU can rest easy.
I don't think any small regional airport can ' rest easy ' at the moment, there is too much economic uncertainty,and many 2nd and 3rd tier airlines are working on very thin finances. But onwards and upwards!!
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 10:47
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Perhaps if Flybe get closer to collapse the government will remove APD for aircraft operating under 80 seats? It would appear that those are mostly operated by independent carriers who are the ones that need the most help. Not to mention it would assist the domestic UK regional economy also. A much needed boost.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 12:15
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Quote from above,
''' so SOU can rest easy...'''

LOL, er no,
I should imagine with the rather unsettling news of Flybe's state the MD of SOU is hardly 'resting easy' as you say...
Along with news of BOH on a tide of more flights and new operators there he/she will be rather unsettled.

If Flybe go (and Flylolo do not hang around) then SOU will have a lot of empty parking places next year if the airport management do not start to woo new carriers -
I noted from their lukewarm roadshow twitter response I feel they (SOU) really expect airlines to come along to them...Not gonna happen - SOU needs to start to woo airlines not sit back and wait...

I agree about the APD but the chances of this or any HM Govt removing or lowering the APD on short or domestic flights is remote - despite lobbying by regional airports since 2017
The government has said it will not be making any changes to Air Passenger Duty (APD) in the last budget and the tax brings in over £3bn annually
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 15:04
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I thinks it's fast approaching make or break for SOU!,with FLybe about to implode, Southampton simply must have the runway extension, and the management attract alternative airlines. Both these questions are however not straight forward and not certain. Critical times for SOU,and exciting times for BOU!
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
It won't have any impact on SOU at all given the frequency and seasonality of the route so SOU can rest easy.
Hilarious!!!......so with people's faith in Flybe dropping like a stone as each day passes, the uncertainty that any flights might actually leave the ground in S19 from SOU......these two routes copied by a new operator at a local competitor airport aren't gonna have an impact???......Really, get real!!!!
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 20:04
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A little bit hysterical, don't you think? Flybe/Blue Islands have multiple daily frequencies to both islands from SOU.
Loganair are offering seasonal flights to the islands for S19, and have found a quick and easy way to utilise the aircraft during the day by popping over to BOH and back between other U.K. flights. BOH currently lacks any CI services so there's no direct competition, and this route will be marketed to tourists rather than business travellers. For example, one BOH-GCI flight on an E135 per week probably won't be making much of a dent in the SOU-GCI market.
Good news for BOH though, an impressive portfolio of new routes for 2019.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 07:24
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with people's faith in Flybe dropping like a stone as each day passes
....which will only be exacerbated by people stirring the pot of uncertainty. If you think that's a good thing, then crack on.

The new Logan operation at BOH (whilst welcome for them) is tiny. Jet vs. TP makes no real difference on a sector this short.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 10:19
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....which will only be exacerbated by people stirring the pot of uncertainty. If you think that's a good thing, then crack on.

The new Logan operation at BOH (whilst welcome for them) is tiny. Jet vs. TP makes no real difference on a sector this short.
Agreed, putting BE aside for the moment, an extra 148 outbound seats per week is not going to hurt SOU especially!
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 14:17
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SOU over many years has often been heavily reliant on 1 airline as its main user with a couple of others to make up the numbers.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 15:27
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
SOU over many years has often been heavily reliant on 1 airline as its main user with a couple of others to make up the numbers.
Exactly right and that is because of the lack of infrastructure investment. ie. runway restrictions. The airlines that can operate without payload penalties from SOU are growing all the time,so SOU it's down to FlyBe, a company that is holding on by it's fingernails. Very sad and very short sighted.
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 06:46
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Apart from a master plan to extend the runway by only a small marginal amount (which is still going to be some years away) SOU will always be restricted with its operations and operators - the other issue is current lack of stands for bigger a/c.

The runway will never be extended in our lifetime to offer performance for larger and heavier aircraft to fly further - the location of it means it is simply impossible due to obstructions at both ends - Future money will be never available to move the M27 or the railway!
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 14:33
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A little strong there rog747. They have already secured easyJet to Geneva. No reason why they couldn’t entice them to do more like Belfast etc etc. Space for parking I think is more pressing.
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 14:45
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Unless I've read it wrongly,isn't planning permission for the starter strip to be asked for in the beginning of 2019?
If so can anyone anticipate when this project ( given permission that is) would be complete?
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 15:29
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Unless I've read it wrongly,isn't planning permission for the starter strip to be asked for in the beginning of 2019?
If so can anyone anticipate when this project ( given permission that is) would be complete?
Planning going in early next year and get the impression from info coming out of the airport on social media/MD etc that they want this underway soonish ie once planning permission is agreed and satisfaction of environmental concerns. The one saving grace is that they are not treading on other land owners property and is all being constructed from within. I therefore would expect this to be approved much quicker and believe the finances are in place from owners to commence asap!

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Old 19th Nov 2018, 05:58
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal View Post
A little strong there rog747. They have already secured easyJet to Geneva. No reason why they couldn’t entice them to do more like Belfast etc etc. Space for parking I think is more pressing.
Shamrock - Not really old chap - the EZY GVA ski flights have been around I think a few seasons now and are well established but of course winter only
To what lengths SOU 'chased' EZY to operate these I'm sorry I do not know, but upmarket ski demand is always there
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 12:12
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Thought last season was the first EZ GVA flights from Southampton, although Bournemouth has had them for "several" seasons
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