Southampton-2

[rog747]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

An extended runway and extended hours will be a hard sell locally.

How far could Jet2's 738's get from the extended runway?

I think the only regular use of the 738's in the past were Air Berlin flying to near Germany.
(did Air Europa use them to Palma and Ibiza? or was that long ago with 400 series)
It's also the Boeing landing distance that has far more issues - the 738 and Max has very much faster approach speeds over the A320, and has 4 little wheels with not so wonderful brakes.
That is why the 738 does not go often to GIB for instance, nor to SOU.
It has now and again been seen on the odd charter or a Lapland flight at SOU.

Re the derates on the engines for the A319
They are derated thrust compared to the same engine as used on the heavier A320 application (both IAE and CFM/GE variants)
They are basically the same engine with chip technology allowing the max thrust to be optimum for the aircraft type. (saves wear, tear and fuel)
A high thrust version is available for the A319 but afaik EZY did not specify this - despite having the HGW version seating 156 pax with 2 extra overwing exits added.

The A320/321neo has a completely new family of engine types.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Torquelink

That'll be some de-rate . . !

LOL - you got me there!!

I of course I had meant CFM56 - not CF6 - although I think a CF6 powered 767 or a DC-10 could easily deal with getting out of SOU haha lol

[adfly]

W18/19 Summary

Usual summary is below. Please let me know of any corrections needed. I have been over the seasonal xmas reductions in more detail before, so the lower frequencies are more accurate (and appear lower) than before, although in most cases only apply for 2-4 weeks around the xmas/new year period. Nonetheless, it looks to be fairly quiet compared to the past couple of years.

Aer Lingus Regional

Cork - 3-4 weekly AT7


Aurigny

Alderney - 14-16 weekly D28


easyJet Switzerland

Geneva - 3 weekly 319/20


Flybe (5-6 Q400 Based)

Aberdeen - 1 weekly Q400
Alicante - 2 weekly Q400
Amsterdam - 24-27 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 17-19 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 3-7 weekly Q400
Bordeaux - 1 weekly Q400 (23/12 - 06/01)
Chambery - 2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 20-26 weekly Q400
Dusseldorf - 6 weekly Q400
Edinburgh - 24-30 weekly Q400
Geneva - 3 weekly Q400
Glasgow - 22-25 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 22-26 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 20-27 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
La Rochelle - 1 weekly (22/12 - 05/01)
Leeds/Bradford - 11 weekly S20 (Eastern)
Limoges - 3 weekly Q400 (21/12 - 05/01)
Lyon - 1 weekly Q400 (15/12 - 05/01)
Manchester - 24-29 weekly Q400
Nantes - 2-3 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 15-17 weekly Q400
Paris CDG - 10-12 weekly Q400
Rennes - 3 weekly Q400 (21/12-05/01)


KLM Cityhopper

Amsterdam - 7-12 weekly E75


Ski/Santa Charters

Chambery - 1 weekly Flybe E95 (Ski Total)
Lapland - 09/12 (Transun)
Northern Lights Flight - 26/02 (Omega Holidays)


Overall

Flybe weekly departures: 228-282 (W17/18 - 300-329)
Other airline weekly departures: 27-35 (W17/18 - 48-51)
Overall weekly departures: 255-317 (W17/18 - 349-380)
Overall average daily departures: 36-45 (W17/18 - 50-54)

[LBIA]

SOU-LBA route is scheduled to be operated 11x weekly using Saab 2000, Eastern Airways no longer have Jetstream 41's based at LBA.

[Dropoffcharge]

Drop in sessions (5th/8th)

Did anyone manage to get along to either of the first two master plan drop in sessions, any feedback??

[stewyb]

Originally Posted by adfly

Usual summary is below. Please let me know of any corrections needed. I have been over the seasonal xmas reductions in more detail before, so the lower frequencies are more accurate (and appear lower) than before, although in most cases only apply for 2-4 weeks around the xmas/new year period. Nonetheless, it looks to be fairly quiet compared to the past couple of years.

Aer Lingus Regional

Cork - 3-4 weekly AT7


Aurigny

Alderney - 14-16 weekly D28


easyJet Switzerland

Geneva - 3 weekly 319/20


Flybe (5-6 Q400 Based)

Aberdeen - 1 weekly Q400
Alicante - 2 weekly Q400
Amsterdam - 24-27 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 17-19 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 3-7 weekly Q400
Bordeaux - 1 weekly Q400 (23/12 - 06/01)
Chambery - 2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 20-26 weekly Q400
Dusseldorf - 6 weekly Q400
Edinburgh - 24-30 weekly Q400
Geneva - 3 weekly Q400
Glasgow - 22-25 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 22-26 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 20-27 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
La Rochelle - 1 weekly (22/12 - 05/01)
Leeds/Bradford - 11 weekly J41 (Eastern)
Limoges - 3 weekly (21/12 - 05/01)
Manchester - 24-29 weekly Q400
Nantes - 2-3 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 15-17 weekly Q400
Paris CDG - 10-12 weekly Q400
Rennes - 3 weekly Q400 (21/12-05/01)


KLM Cityhopper

Amsterdam - 7-12 weekly E75


Ski/Santa Charters

Chambery - 1 weekly Flybe Q400 (Ski Total)
Lapland - 09/12 (Transun)


Overall

Flybe weekly departures: 228-281 (W17/18 - 300-329)
Other airline weekly departures: 27-35 (W17/18 - 48-51)
Overall weekly departures: 255-316 (W17/18 - 349-380)
Overall average daily departures: 36-45 (W17/18 - 50-54)

Ski Total are to operate a E95 to Chambéry this winter, also Lyon is operating during January I believe, cheers

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge

Did anyone manage to get alone to either of the first two master plan drop in sessions, any feedback??

No sorry i've been poorly

[TCAS FAN]

Further to my post 840, westbound on M27 a few days ago, as a passenger, had chance to look at the vegetation versus 02 approach lights situation -absolutely horrific! Can any aircrew give an idea what, if any, of the approach lighting is visible? I would speculate that at best there some large gaps. Just how do SOU get away with such a safety related issue?

RW20, ref your post 920, sorry for delay responding, would not speculate other than expect work to be done in cooler months to minimise impact to any temporary reduced declared distances necessary to accommodate the work.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by TCAS FAN

Just how do SOU get away with such a safety related issue? .

As I've posted previously on this thread, the CAA have a process available for members of the public to report safety concerns.

[adfly]

Have updated my post, thanks for the revisions. Couldn't find any evidence of Lyon flights operating in Jan stewyb?

[RW20]

TCAS FAN
Regarding the approach lights to 02,I believe I'm right in saying that RNAV LPV approaches occur now on this runway,shorely there is an advantage and possibility that there should be more Centreline lights and crossbars then the short Centreline and one crossbar that exists at the moment?

[stewyb]

Originally Posted by adfly

Have updated my post, thanks for the revisions. Couldn't find any evidence of Lyon flights operating in Jan stewyb?

BE operating the route for a few weeks over the New Year, or they were when I last looked at their timetable! Cheers

[stewyb]

Originally Posted by RW20

TCAS FAN
Regarding the approach lights to 02,I believe I'm right in saying that RNAV LPV approaches occur now on this runway,shorely there is an advantage and possibility that there should be more Centreline lights and crossbars then the short Centreline and one crossbar that exists at the moment?

RNAV LPV approach is now active and you would hope that with possible expansion will come a little more approach lighting as what’s there at present is simply inadequate!

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by stewyb

what’s there at present is simply inadequate!

Seriously?

[stewyb]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Seriously?

your sarcasm, love it!

[TCAS FAN]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

As I've posted previously on this thread, the CAA have a process available for members of the public to report safety concerns.

I've rechecked the CAA website, as I am now a member of the General Public it would appear that there is no provision for reporting of this issue. I would be grateful if you could identify the relevant provision for me to report, and I'd seriously consider doing so.

[TCAS FAN]

Originally Posted by stewyb

RNAV LPV approach is now active and you would hope that with possible expansion will come a little more approach lighting as what’s there at present is simply inadequate!

Not that the current "Simple Approach Lighting" (to use its correct technical term) system is inadequate,the issue that I've highlighted impacts on the RVR minima for flying the approach. If the current approach lighting system is not CAP 168 compliant (for a Simple Approach Lighting system), due to all or part being obscured by vegetation, the RVR minima for the RNAV and other non-precision instrument approaches for runway 02 must be raised as it will consider that the runway has no approach lighting.

[SWBKCB]

Report a safety concern

What is a public safety concern?

A public safety concern would usually be a result of having been involved in or witnessed an incident, or becoming aware of an issue that has or could affect aviation safety and has the potential to cause, or actually has lead to, harm to the public.

[adfly]

Originally Posted by stewyb

BE operating the route for a few weeks over the New Year, or they were when I last looked at their timetable! Cheers

Thanks, I missed that!

[TCAS FAN]

SWBKCB

Its a question of interpretation as to whether this is applicable.