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Few were in-flight diversions. They flight planned into.SEN and had prebooked handling arranged.
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Fair go but subjects slated as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".
Is it possible subjects also double booked SEN on a "just in case" basis?...Happens in the exec world.
Is it possible subjects also double booked SEN on a "just in case" basis?...Happens in the exec world.
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I think it should be remembered that these customers are demanding people. If LTN and STN have failed them then maybe they won't be forgiven in a hurry, especially when they look to the future and the pressures on those airports and what that may mean to execs demanding a runway open to them 24hrs. If SEN have demonstrated they can deliver the service required why shouldn't they get a decent slice of the pie?
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Luton is definitely less busy with biz jets in part due to the loss of an apron which is now used to park passenger jets overnight so even though the airport will accept them there is less room to park them even in the winter months.
Southend should still do well out of stand issues at LTN.
Southend should still do well out of stand issues at LTN.
I don't understand the first line of your post I'm afraid, but regarding the second I think the answer is "unlikely" as the slot restrictions at both LTN and STN would be well known to them and they wouldn't have been able to book slots there. It had also been suggested that having been 'forced' to use SEN the aircraft would rapidly be relocated to LTN or STN as soon as possible but that didn't seem to happen. A couple of days ago I noted seven non-based bizjet aircraft on the SEN ramp and another two or three in the SJC hangar.
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To clarify...Fair few visiting exec a/c to Southend were "reported" as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".
Re the bookings fair go but anecdotal evidence suggests in some instances otherwise.
I`m suggesting that a/c may have had slots booked at LTN/STN BEFORE the "curfew" hour but in a just in case scenario booked SEN too.
Execs already out of position may then be slotted out at LTN/STN for the return both with the R/W & FBO`s as the new days movements dealt with.
Anyways...Anecdotes & conjecture.
Re the bookings fair go but anecdotal evidence suggests in some instances otherwise.
I`m suggesting that a/c may have had slots booked at LTN/STN BEFORE the "curfew" hour but in a just in case scenario booked SEN too.
Execs already out of position may then be slotted out at LTN/STN for the return both with the R/W & FBO`s as the new days movements dealt with.
Anyways...Anecdotes & conjecture.
Ah, I see what you mean. SEN would probably have been able to accept them as diversions anyway without them needing to book a slot. I know SEN valued greatly their limited number of available night slots so wouldn't have taken kindly to an operator booking one 'just in case' and then not using it. Genuine diversions are excluded from the monthly night quota count.
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Exec Jet movements
Thanks for all the posts reporting anecdotal increases in executive jet movements but does someone have the factual amount of movements Stobarts have handled since the new FBO opened?
I flew into and out of SEN today for the first time. Almost certianly a one-off. Was surprised by teh number of BAe146 parked up. Whose are they and why parked up looked unused?
Pleasant little airport, reminds me of Newquay or a smaller Liverpool. A breath of fresh air compared to Manchester.
Pleasant little airport, reminds me of Newquay or a smaller Liverpool. A breath of fresh air compared to Manchester.
JOTA Aviation have an active fleet of five 146/RJ aircraft; 1 x 146-200, 1 x RJ85, 1 x RJ100 (all in pax configuration) and 2 x 146-300QT freighters. The QTs are just entering service and they have a further two QTs acquired a few months ago that are not yet active. They have had a very busy summer with their passenger fleet flying for the likes of HOP and Cityjet alongside charter operations.
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The 100 and stretched 200 series
80/85/100 seats and then the further stretched 115 seat 300 series version
Jota Aviation at SEN seem to be very successful and have a their growing fleet of 146's for ACMI and pax/cargo charter work.
They were recently looking for more cabin crew and Ops/crewing staff at SEN
Perhaps a local or bigger tour operator would consider Jota for a IT series out of SEN again - The 146 is 'right size' for routes like Palma Alicante and Italy.
I first saw a demo 146-100 in BAF colours being shown off to Brymon at LHR around the time the Brymon Dash 7 was being introduced - we handled it at BMA T1. 1981?
In attempt to join the growing market of Regional Jets Bae sort to market their 146 as an RJ model and give it a makeover
the RJ70/85 and 100 versions (seat capacity) saw new avionics and upgrades to the engines and few more tweaks
A QC quick change passenger/cargo version with a large freight door was also offered from 146 days - renamed QT quiet trader
SEN locally based Burstin Travel bought 2 new 146-200QC's to fly holiday charters from SEN and do cargo/mail flights at night - the airline was called Princess Air. They leased a 3rd -200
A further-improved version with new engines, the Avro RJX, was announced in 1997, but only two prototypes and one production aircraft were built before production ceased in 2001.
The 146/RJ sold much better than the Bac-111
Quite a nice little aeroplane - Dan Air Manx and Palmair used them on holiday flights from Gatwick and Bournemouth - suited mainly as far as PMI and IBZ, but AGP and FAO were flown but a tech stop sometimes was needed as the range/payload was stretched to the limit.
Manx used them on ski charters to Chambery and INN but it was hard to get a full load of bags skis and boots in the holds.
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Avro Hawker Siddeley designed what became the Bae 146
The 100 and stretched 200 series
80/85/100 seats and then the further stretched 115 seat 300 series version
Jota Aviation at SEN seem to be very successful and have a their growing fleet of 146's for ACMI and pax/cargo charter work.
They were recently looking for more cabin crew and Ops/crewing staff at SEN
Perhaps a local or bigger tour operator would consider Jota for a IT series out of SEN again - The 146 is 'right size' for routes like Palma Alicante and Italy.
I first saw a demo 146-100 in BAF colours being shown off to Brymon at LHR around the time the Brymon Dash 7 was being introduced - we handled it at BMA T1. 1981?
In attempt to join the growing market of Regional Jets Bae sort to market their 146 as an RJ model and give it a makeover
the RJ70/85 and 100 versions (seat capacity) saw new avionics and upgrades to the engines and few more tweaks
A QC quick change passenger/cargo version with a large freight door was also offered from 146 days - renamed QT quiet trader
SEN locally based Burstin Travel bought 2 new 146-200QC's to fly holiday charters from SEN and do cargo/mail flights at night - the airline was called Princess Air. They leased a 3rd -200
A further-improved version with new engines, the Avro RJX, was announced in 1997, but only two prototypes and one production aircraft were built before production ceased in 2001.
The 146/RJ sold much better than the Bac-111
Quite a nice little aeroplane - Dan Air Manx and Palmair used them on holiday flights from Gatwick and Bournemouth - suited mainly as far as PMI and IBZ, but AGP and FAO were flown but a tech stop sometimes was needed as the range/payload was stretched to the limit.
Manx used them on ski charters to Chambery and INN but it was hard to get a full load of bags skis and boots in the holds.
The 100 and stretched 200 series
80/85/100 seats and then the further stretched 115 seat 300 series version
Jota Aviation at SEN seem to be very successful and have a their growing fleet of 146's for ACMI and pax/cargo charter work.
They were recently looking for more cabin crew and Ops/crewing staff at SEN
Perhaps a local or bigger tour operator would consider Jota for a IT series out of SEN again - The 146 is 'right size' for routes like Palma Alicante and Italy.
I first saw a demo 146-100 in BAF colours being shown off to Brymon at LHR around the time the Brymon Dash 7 was being introduced - we handled it at BMA T1. 1981?
In attempt to join the growing market of Regional Jets Bae sort to market their 146 as an RJ model and give it a makeover
the RJ70/85 and 100 versions (seat capacity) saw new avionics and upgrades to the engines and few more tweaks
A QC quick change passenger/cargo version with a large freight door was also offered from 146 days - renamed QT quiet trader
SEN locally based Burstin Travel bought 2 new 146-200QC's to fly holiday charters from SEN and do cargo/mail flights at night - the airline was called Princess Air. They leased a 3rd -200
A further-improved version with new engines, the Avro RJX, was announced in 1997, but only two prototypes and one production aircraft were built before production ceased in 2001.
The 146/RJ sold much better than the Bac-111
Quite a nice little aeroplane - Dan Air Manx and Palmair used them on holiday flights from Gatwick and Bournemouth - suited mainly as far as PMI and IBZ, but AGP and FAO were flown but a tech stop sometimes was needed as the range/payload was stretched to the limit.
Manx used them on ski charters to Chambery and INN but it was hard to get a full load of bags skis and boots in the holds.
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No. I know nothing for sure except that any new franchise agreements with Stobart Air would be made during November.