Southend-2

[DC3 Dave]

Ok all.

Narrowing the discussion, I think SEN - NQY daily throughout the summer is a cracking ''new' route and I for one will be taking advantage of it.

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by compton3bravo

Oh come on, can we just be realistic. Why would anybody want to connect at Nequay other than the Isles of Scilly when Southend, Stansted ,Luton etc has got most of Europe covered. I fear rose tinted glasses have reared their ugly head again.

With all due respect and admiration for tophat27dt I need to answer the equally esteemed compton3bravo.

Firstly, rose-tinted glasses are beautiful things. Secondly, as usual, I need to clarify my casual comparison between NQY and MAN. I was clumsily trying to suggest that Stobart / Flybe may want to offer limited connections at NQY, particularly as they have control of services to Cornwall from ROI with their other franchise.

Of course, Stobart may wish to purchase 2 or 3 A321's and start a west coast to east coast transatlantic low cost service....... Anyway, it's time to take my placebo and go to bed.

[southside bobby]

Lol....

Sounds/reads like you are taking something already DC3 Dave.

[AirportPlanner1]

I think you all need to calm down.

I strongly suspect the original press release would have said NQY was connected to various destinations. I strongly suspect the Echo then lazily turned that into connecting via NQY, which is ludicrous. Local journos are, in the main, idiots. And very lazy.

Taking that press release and using it to make wild suggestions on here about Stobart hubs in NQY should also not have happened.

Lastly to contradict the chap saying people wouldn’t take such crazy connections, yes they would. I’ve travelled MAN-SEN with someone on board doing MAN-SEN-GLA despite there being a MAN-GLA flight leaving just after us. I guess if it’s a few quid cheaper or some other infathomable reason people will do anything.

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

I think you all need to calm down.

I strongly suspect the original press release would have said NQY was connected to various destinations. I strongly suspect the Echo then lazily turned that into connecting via NQY, which is ludicrous. Local journos are, in the main, idiots. And very lazy.

Taking that press release and using it to make wild suggestions on here about Stobart hubs in NQY should also not have happened.

Lastly to contradict the chap saying people wouldn’t take such crazy connections, yes they would. I’ve travelled MAN-SEN with someone on board doing MAN-SEN-GLA despite there being a MAN-GLA flight leaving just after us. I guess if it’s a few quid cheaper or some other infathomable reason people will do anything.

I agree. Airlines do tend to offer the weirdest of connections through their hubs and it's true some people do take advantage of them, for whatever reasons. The local Southend rag seems to have some ignorant careless "journalists" writing about subjects they know nothing about. It makes me crazy when the Daily Mail writes headlines like "passengers stranded on runway for six hours" when of course they were still on the parking bay. 😂

[cornishsimon]

Flybe and NQY don’t offer connections at newquay.

Previously when BE operated BHX-NQY-STN you couldn’t book BHX-STN, newquay is a small airport with no connections on one ticket possible.

Thst i suspect would only change if and when sky is started interlining and codesharing which mainly I suspect due to the weather on Scillies they don’t


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[limited_sight]

A number of Flybe/Stobart routes for S19 have been released

Antwerp, Caen, Rennes, Groningen and Newquay.

This means the franchise deal will continue. Whether the other routes are dropped is to be seen.

[Sharklet_321]

If Flybe don't survive then it may be a franchise with someone else. Any alternatives out there?

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321

If Flybe don't survive then it may be a franchise with someone else. Any alternatives out there?

Oh yes.............

[DC3 Dave]

It's good to have some clarification on the future for Stobart / Flybe. Still wondering why the former wish to operate SEN - MAN throughout the miserable winter months instead of culling the route.

I can only think they need to keep an ATR and more importantly personnel occupied whilst negotiations continue with Flybe or someone else.

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by DC3 Dave

Still wondering why the former wish to operate SEN - MAN throughout the miserable winter months instead of culling the route.

I agree but it’s the end date of 6th Jan that really doesn’t make sense. Actually logically you’d say the winter months would be strongest for the route as you’ll see more business traffic than high summer and you’ve also got football. For Spurs v Man Utd for example they laid on a E195 last year. It’s also bizarre they’re continuing and then halting it after the very quietest couple of weeks.

The summer ‘19 schedule requires 2 ATRs, so again it’s odd that from 6th Jan they will have an aircraft effectively redundant for three months.

I’m glad it is being continued though as I’ve got two trips booked in the next month.

There’s no sign yet of an E195 for next summer.

[tophat27dt]

I heard from a Stobart pilot that one of the E195s will soon be painted into BA colours.

[SEN Observer]

Originally Posted by tophat27dt

I heard from a Stobart pilot that one of the E195s will soon be painted into BA colours.

Good for Stobart but will SEN benefit from this? Could be employed anywhere (except LCY)

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by SEN Observer

Good for Stobart but will SEN benefit from this? Could be employed anywhere (except LCY)

Could it?
BA have fairly strict scope clauses which prohibit operation of jets which seat more than 100 passengers. Apparently that’s why the CityFlyer E190s seat 98 and can’t operate from LHR or LGW.

All of that said BA have had U.K. franchise partners in the past. So there must be a mechanism, I assume it’s to do with commercial risk.

[Cazza_fly]

Originally Posted by brian_dromey

Could it?
BA have fairly strict scope clauses which prohibit operation of jets which seat more than 100 passengers. Apparently that’s why the CityFlyer E190s seat 98 and can’t operate from LHR or LGW.

All of that said BA have had U.K. franchise partners in the past. So there must be a mechanism, I assume it’s to do with commercial risk.

Yes i believe that these historic restrictions to be from LCY and with Cityflyer. The E195(s) will most likely be operating with BA mainline however and i'd more than hazard a guess will be based at LGW. I hope they have looked at their shocking dispatch reliability though, as punctuality is something the LGW operation in particular are proud of.

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by tophat27dt

I heard from a Stobart pilot that one of the E195s will soon be painted into BA colours.

Perhaps the leasing agreement between Proprius and Stobart Air should be considered. It may well be short term and flexible. So if Stobart Air decide they now don't wish to operate 3 jetliners, then they become Propius' problem / opportunity.

[compton3bravo]

I think you will find Propius Leasing is owned by Stobart Dave uggh!

[DC3 Dave]

Exactly my point, Compton.

[kar42]

Originally Posted by tophat27dt

"passengers stranded on runway for six hours" when of course they were still on the parking bay. 😂

As a passenger why would it make any difference to be stranded in a parking bay, unless you are actually allowed off!

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by kar42

As a passenger why would it make any difference to be stranded in a parking bay, unless you are actually allowed off!

...but in this scenario they were waiting to depart!