Southend-2
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 791
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rather a bizarre comment! I may be wrong but hasn't LTN just had severe restrictions placed on it because it exceeded it's night movement quota? Hence the upturn of biz jets at SEN. And LTN is an airport owned by it's local authority. Not much concern shown to local residents there I feel.
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Daws Heath Essex
Posts: 446
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not sure why it is a bazaar comment. All residents should be entitled to a good nights sleep even at airports that are owned by local authorities. At Luton the night noise limits were busted so the problem was moved to Southend so their residents would also suffer. Just think of a noisy party night after night that wakes you up. Should you just sit there and say nothing even if you moved next to a pub?
Are SEN operating outside of their planning approval hours of operations? If so, then to what extent: infrequently, or becoming an increasing trend on a daily or weekly basis? Any data available to illustrate the factual position of movements outside approved hours of normal business operations?
LTNman
I'm surprised at your apparent sudden conversion to the environmental cause but I assume you will now be campaigning fro LTN's night quota to be reduced to at least the levels at SEN to prevent annoyance to local residents. By the way, what is the LTN night movement quota number currently? SEN also operates a preferred runway policy with all possible departures being on 05 and arrivals on 23, thus keeping the flight paths away from built-up residential areas.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: bishops stortford herts
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All airport operators have to show respect to their neighbours in this modern age & at the very least engage & attempt to mitigate noise issues & act responsibly & be seen to act responsibly.
SEN being a constricted site when it comes to very well established residential areas surrounding it & being unused to night jet movements would have due cause to heed.
LTN has been pointed out as one example & MAG/STN surrounded by fields (lots & lots) according to some views has taken these issues most seriously & delayed seeking further expansion until representation from the local regions was listened too & acted upon as far as possible.
STN has an excellent web track facility for the public too to view any potential noise infringers.
SEN will do well to listen to locals very carefully if only to draw the attention away nationally from night time ops which are increasingly becoming more & more restrictive.
SEN being a constricted site when it comes to very well established residential areas surrounding it & being unused to night jet movements would have due cause to heed.
LTN has been pointed out as one example & MAG/STN surrounded by fields (lots & lots) according to some views has taken these issues most seriously & delayed seeking further expansion until representation from the local regions was listened too & acted upon as far as possible.
STN has an excellent web track facility for the public too to view any potential noise infringers.
SEN will do well to listen to locals very carefully if only to draw the attention away nationally from night time ops which are increasingly becoming more & more restrictive.
[QUOTE=southside bobby;10320848]
SEN being a constricted site when it comes to very well established residential areas surrounding it & being unused to night jet movements would have due cause to heed./QUOTE]
I think it's worth mentioning that prior to the Section 106 agreement which limited SEN night period movements to 120 per month, the previous quota limit was 900 per month. Historically SEN was very busy at night and in the 1980s the local jokes included one which suggested that SEN would close during the day if runway resurfacing was required as it was much busier at night. After that in the 1990s SEN was a freight hub with Electras and CV580s etc. operating an intensive night programme.
The latest SEN Annual Report states that 87% of night movements adhered to the preferential runway policy of 23 arrivals and 05 departures. A glance at satellite imagary will readily show the noise benefits that produces.
SEN being a constricted site when it comes to very well established residential areas surrounding it & being unused to night jet movements would have due cause to heed./QUOTE]
I think it's worth mentioning that prior to the Section 106 agreement which limited SEN night period movements to 120 per month, the previous quota limit was 900 per month. Historically SEN was very busy at night and in the 1980s the local jokes included one which suggested that SEN would close during the day if runway resurfacing was required as it was much busier at night. After that in the 1990s SEN was a freight hub with Electras and CV580s etc. operating an intensive night programme.
The latest SEN Annual Report states that 87% of night movements adhered to the preferential runway policy of 23 arrivals and 05 departures. A glance at satellite imagary will readily show the noise benefits that produces.
Last edited by Expressflight; 26th Nov 2018 at 15:58. Reason: Additional info added
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: bishops stortford herts
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have no problems at all with historical data but will that actually cut it in the modern age?.
Obviously the residents reported as "getting very upset" require due diligence from the airport operator in various forms.
They appear not to remember the `80`s anyway evidently.
The backstory is it is redirected & reallocated traffic & not generated by SEN itself in this instance.
Although the poster from LTN was chided as "sour grapes" I think he has a point as when or if a local journo gets the story we could write the headline perhaps..."Noisy multi millionaire`s private jets thrown out of Bedfordshire airport now ruining Southend residents peace at night".
In today`s syndicated journalism the headline would be nationwide very swiftly I feel.
Obviously the residents reported as "getting very upset" require due diligence from the airport operator in various forms.
They appear not to remember the `80`s anyway evidently.
The backstory is it is redirected & reallocated traffic & not generated by SEN itself in this instance.
Although the poster from LTN was chided as "sour grapes" I think he has a point as when or if a local journo gets the story we could write the headline perhaps..."Noisy multi millionaire`s private jets thrown out of Bedfordshire airport now ruining Southend residents peace at night".
In today`s syndicated journalism the headline would be nationwide very swiftly I feel.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I can understand why the plane spotters here can't see a bigger picture and probably don't really care but can anyone find the airport's noise contour maps. I can't find any (for SEN) which suggests there isn't any so are there forces trying to bury bad news seeing there are homes that sit between
There are indeed noise contour maps which I believe are a legal requirement together with noise monitoring sites around the airport. Unfortunately I haven't the time to find them just now as I'm just setting off on a three day trip. I would suggest the SEN website via the 'Corporate and Community' link at the bottom of their home page might be the place to start.
Noise Management at London Southend Airport
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: No fixed abode
Posts: 792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Spot on - Googling Southend Airport and then searching the website with the keyword "noise" takes you to the page linked below - the second link on the page is the "Noise Action Plan" and noise contour maps feature in the annexes of this document.
Noise Management at London Southend Airport
Noise Management at London Southend Airport
Appears in the summary that the noise action plan and contours (2011) relate to 2014-2019 forecasts.
Does this mean that the Airport will reevaluate next year and could this be a reason the locals are starting to kick off?
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In the sticks
Posts: 9,849
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The noise contours were last done in 2011, which is a year before the arrival of Easyjet. As most will know noise is measured in dB but what most folk won't know is that for every additional 3dB of noise the noise level increases by 100% as noise is measured on a logarithmic scale. This is why contour maps are in 3dB segments.
The noise contours were last done in 2011, which is a year before the arrival of Easyjet. As most will know noise is measured in dB but what most folk won't know is that for every additional 3dB of noise the noise level increases by 100% as noise is measured on a logarithmic scale. This is why contour maps are in 3dB segments.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: bishops stortford herts
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re the RYR base...a local posed the question of the r/w grooving yesterday & I have asked the question twice before concerning grooving as I thought this was conditional for commencement of RYR ops.
RYR Ops
FM
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: London
Posts: 491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good news in October over 145,000 passengers used the airport taking rolling 12 month figures well over 1.45m. Looks like the most popular routes were Amsterdam and Dublin. Manchester not doing well at all by the look of it.