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Old 1st Oct 2018, 17:57
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Purely anecdotal but it appears a not insignificant percentage of execs were inflight & operational diversions due to "curfews" elsewhere so not really making SEN the centre of choice.
It's certainly true that the very large increase in bizjets using SEN this summer was almost entirely due to the "curfews" at LTN and to a lesser extent STN. Not many were re-routed/diverted in flight though but were PPR booked into SEN, so they chose SEN in advance given the situation elsewhere. Most are likely to return to their old habits of using LTN and STN at night I'm sure but it certainly raised SEN's profile worldwide which will hopefully yield some extra business going forward.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 18:43
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Purely anecdotal but it appears a not insignificant percentage of execs were inflight & operational diversions due to "curfews" elsewhere so not really making SEN the centre of choice.
Few were in-flight diversions. They flight planned into.SEN and had prebooked handling arranged.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 18:54
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Fair go but subjects slated as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".

Is it possible subjects also double booked SEN on a "just in case" basis?...Happens in the exec world.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 19:16
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I think it should be remembered that these customers are demanding people. If LTN and STN have failed them then maybe they won't be forgiven in a hurry, especially when they look to the future and the pressures on those airports and what that may mean to execs demanding a runway open to them 24hrs. If SEN have demonstrated they can deliver the service required why shouldn't they get a decent slice of the pie?
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 00:10
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Luton is definitely less busy with biz jets in part due to the loss of an apron which is now used to park passenger jets overnight so even though the airport will accept them there is less room to park them even in the winter months.

Southend should still do well out of stand issues at LTN.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 07:00
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Fair go but subjects slated as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".

Is it possible subjects also double booked SEN on a "just in case" basis?...Happens in the exec world.
I don't understand the first line of your post I'm afraid, but regarding the second I think the answer is "unlikely" as the slot restrictions at both LTN and STN would be well known to them and they wouldn't have been able to book slots there. It had also been suggested that having been 'forced' to use SEN the aircraft would rapidly be relocated to LTN or STN as soon as possible but that didn't seem to happen. A couple of days ago I noted seven non-based bizjet aircraft on the SEN ramp and another two or three in the SJC hangar.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 07:35
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To clarify...Fair few visiting exec a/c to Southend were "reported" as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".

Re the bookings fair go but anecdotal evidence suggests in some instances otherwise.

I`m suggesting that a/c may have had slots booked at LTN/STN BEFORE the "curfew" hour but in a just in case scenario booked SEN too.


Execs already out of position may then be slotted out at LTN/STN for the return both with the R/W & FBO`s as the new days movements dealt with.

Anyways...Anecdotes & conjecture.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 08:02
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
To clarify...Fair few visiting exec a/c to Southend were "reported" as LTN...STN...etc "diversions".
I`m suggesting that a/c may have had slots booked at LTN/STN BEFORE the "curfew" hour but in a just in case scenario booked SEN too.
Ah, I see what you mean. SEN would probably have been able to accept them as diversions anyway without them needing to book a slot. I know SEN valued greatly their limited number of available night slots so wouldn't have taken kindly to an operator booking one 'just in case' and then not using it. Genuine diversions are excluded from the monthly night quota count.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 08:21
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Thanks for info...
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 16:05
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Exec Jet movements

Thanks for all the posts reporting anecdotal increases in executive jet movements but does someone have the factual amount of movements Stobarts have handled since the new FBO opened?
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 18:09
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Exec jets.

In excess of 800 May - Sept inc.

Small beer? Certainly. But a solid start.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 20:19
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I flew into and out of SEN today for the first time. Almost certianly a one-off. Was surprised by teh number of BAe146 parked up. Whose are they and why parked up looked unused?

Pleasant little airport, reminds me of Newquay or a smaller Liverpool. A breath of fresh air compared to Manchester.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 20:36
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The 146 / RJ's belong to Jota Aviation. They are based at SEN. My understanding is that they have good and growing demand for their services which involves both pax and cargo.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:01
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Originally Posted by Espada III View Post
I flew into and out of SEN today for the first time. Almost certianly a one-off. Was surprised by teh number of BAe146 parked up. Whose are they and why parked up looked unused?
JOTA Aviation have an active fleet of five 146/RJ aircraft; 1 x 146-200, 1 x RJ85, 1 x RJ100 (all in pax configuration) and 2 x 146-300QT freighters. The QTs are just entering service and they have a further two QTs acquired a few months ago that are not yet active. They have had a very busy summer with their passenger fleet flying for the likes of HOP and Cityjet alongside charter operations.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:11
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Something thatís always puzzled me

Whatís the difference between a 146 and an RJ85/100? I always think of them as the same. What changed?
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:43
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post
Something thatís always puzzled me

Whatís the difference between a 146 and an RJ85/100? I always think of them as the same. What changed?
Avionics, Engines etc. Iím not 100% of the specifics of the 146 but I donít think they had a FMS when they were built.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:47
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post
Something that’s always puzzled me

What’s the difference between a 146 and an RJ85/100? I always think of them as the same. What changed?





Avro Hawker Siddeley designed what became the Bae 146
The 100 and stretched 200 series
80/85/100 seats and then the further stretched 115 seat 300 series version

Jota Aviation at SEN seem to be very successful and have a their growing fleet of 146's for ACMI and pax/cargo charter work.
They were recently looking for more cabin crew and Ops/crewing staff at SEN
Perhaps a local or bigger tour operator would consider Jota for a IT series out of SEN again - The 146 is 'right size' for routes like Palma Alicante and Italy.



I first saw a demo 146-100 in BAF colours being shown off to Brymon at LHR around the time the Brymon Dash 7 was being introduced - we handled it at BMA T1. 1981?

In attempt to join the growing market of Regional Jets Bae sort to market their 146 as an RJ model and give it a makeover
the RJ70/85 and 100 versions (seat capacity) saw new avionics and upgrades to the engines and few more tweaks

A QC quick change passenger/cargo version with a large freight door was also offered from 146 days - renamed QT quiet trader

SEN locally based Burstin Travel bought 2 new 146-200QC's to fly holiday charters from SEN and do cargo/mail flights at night - the airline was called Princess Air. They leased a 3rd -200

A further-improved version with new engines, the Avro RJX, was announced in 1997, but only two prototypes and one production aircraft were built before production ceased in 2001.
The 146/RJ sold much better than the Bac-111

Quite a nice little aeroplane - Dan Air Manx and Palmair used them on holiday flights from Gatwick and Bournemouth - suited mainly as far as PMI and IBZ, but AGP and FAO were flown but a tech stop sometimes was needed as the range/payload was stretched to the limit.
Manx used them on ski charters to Chambery and INN but it was hard to get a full load of bags skis and boots in the holds.

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Old 9th Oct 2018, 13:05
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Avro Hawker Siddeley designed what became the Bae 146
The 100 and stretched 200 series
80/85/100 seats and then the further stretched 115 seat 300 series version

Jota Aviation at SEN seem to be very successful and have a their growing fleet of 146's for ACMI and pax/cargo charter work.
They were recently looking for more cabin crew and Ops/crewing staff at SEN
Perhaps a local or bigger tour operator would consider Jota for a IT series out of SEN again - The 146 is 'right size' for routes like Palma Alicante and Italy.



I first saw a demo 146-100 in BAF colours being shown off to Brymon at LHR around the time the Brymon Dash 7 was being introduced - we handled it at BMA T1. 1981?

In attempt to join the growing market of Regional Jets Bae sort to market their 146 as an RJ model and give it a makeover
the RJ70/85 and 100 versions (seat capacity) saw new avionics and upgrades to the engines and few more tweaks

A QC quick change passenger/cargo version with a large freight door was also offered from 146 days - renamed QT quiet trader

SEN locally based Burstin Travel bought 2 new 146-200QC's to fly holiday charters from SEN and do cargo/mail flights at night - the airline was called Princess Air. They leased a 3rd -200

A further-improved version with new engines, the Avro RJX, was announced in 1997, but only two prototypes and one production aircraft were built before production ceased in 2001.
The 146/RJ sold much better than the Bac-111

Quite a nice little aeroplane - Dan Air Manx and Palmair used them on holiday flights from Gatwick and Bournemouth - suited mainly as far as PMI and IBZ, but AGP and FAO were flown but a tech stop sometimes was needed as the range/payload was stretched to the limit.
Manx used them on ski charters to Chambery and INN but it was hard to get a full load of bags skis and boots in the holds.
Loganair also used them ex MAN and SEN. A/C were G-OLCA and G-OLCB. They were 146-200 in a Y101 config - flew MAN-AGP and return one year on it - horrendously delayed in the old AGP terminal coming home. One did a double MAN-AGP-MAN and the other positioned down to SEN to operate something in the morning followed by a SEN-AGP that year.
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Old 9th Oct 2018, 18:05
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A/C were G-OLCA and G-OLCB
Off-topic, but I remember those 2 operating weekly charters for the MoD from MAN out to the airfields of RAF Germany.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 05:45
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt View Post
......getting colder.....wait until November.
Tophat - re your above post (#2040 September 29th) have I missed something? I am not asking what, but are you thinking/knowing that there is some announcement to be made in November?
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