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There are so many potential factors such as:-
The geopolitical situation in the Middle East, the fall in the value of sterling principally precipitated by the Brexit vote, and too many seats seeking too few passengers - probably also because there is a finite amount of accommodation in the Med. resorts, that means that there is an imbalance between seats available and beds.
Aside of that there always the potential for allegations of poor management, and there will undoubtedly be severe criticism of Greybull Capital who will again not come out of this smelling of roses - they do have previous in other sectors.
How much of the slack (if slack there is) will be taken up is questionable. The industry might be better restricting capacity and raising yields, but there's always one that will break (unofficial) ranks and I suspect one or the other company will use Monarch's demise as an opportunity to buy market share.
The geopolitical situation in the Middle East, the fall in the value of sterling principally precipitated by the Brexit vote, and too many seats seeking too few passengers - probably also because there is a finite amount of accommodation in the Med. resorts, that means that there is an imbalance between seats available and beds.
Aside of that there always the potential for allegations of poor management, and there will undoubtedly be severe criticism of Greybull Capital who will again not come out of this smelling of roses - they do have previous in other sectors.
How much of the slack (if slack there is) will be taken up is questionable. The industry might be better restricting capacity and raising yields, but there's always one that will break (unofficial) ranks and I suspect one or the other company will use Monarch's demise as an opportunity to buy market share.
Great if you live in the UK and are abroad at the moment, for the CAA to be getting you home at no cost. However, if you are a UK ex-pat presently in the UK with a flight back to your home EU country this/next week, they have done nothing to assist, even though they will have aircraft operating outbound legs from the UK empty for repatriation flights. They have no advice to give, if you ring them. Basically if you are an expat British citizen trying to get home, you are on your own. Double standards.
I guess the reason for looking after all Brits coming home is political; especially as the collapse has happened coincidentally with the governing party's annual conference.
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Planning for these rescue flights began on Thursday and Friday with the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle for repatriating everyone being placed over the last few days and will continue to do so in the coming days for flights over the next two weeks. It’s no coincidence that the very informative monarch.caa.co.uk website has taken sometime to be put together and is not just a last minute statement on a web page. It, like the airlift has been built up over the last few days. Only after 21:00 last night were plans allowed to be broadcast to wider airline staff involved in these as CAA has confidentiality clauses in place in case things could be salvaged at the last minute like this time last year. Sadly there was no last minute rescue and here we are today hoping that staff find new jobs quickly and as many customers are able to salvage their holidays as possible.
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Nemrytter: Wrong! There are not tens of thousands of passengers left in the lurch. The CAA is ensuring they all come home and the bloody BBC is getting annoying with Justin Webb's inept reporting/analysing. All those who have already travelled outbound with Monarch will be returned at no cost and little inconvenience. Or has the CAA chartered a flock of Qatar planes, along with various others just to decorate the sky?
I do wonder though why the CAA can't stop Monarch from selling more tickets but keep flying until all their customers have been repatriated? Protecting the banks, perhaps?
There was a report on the radio to the effect the CAA announcement was timed for when all Monarch's aircraft were back on the ground in the UK so the banks could seize them. And that's another of my pet gripes; property before people!
I do wonder though why the CAA can't stop Monarch from selling more tickets but keep flying until all their customers have been repatriated? Protecting the banks, perhaps?
There was a report on the radio to the effect the CAA announcement was timed for when all Monarch's aircraft were back on the ground in the UK so the banks could seize them. And that's another of my pet gripes; property before people!
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And the BBC is doing an excellent job of informing passengers of their rights and what is likely to happen. Personally, I think that's quite a useful and important thing to do. Seems I'm in the minority there.
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WHY did Monarch fail?
Did Monarch fail because it's cost base was too high?
Tough on it's employees but for any airline that has a cost base that is too high it's inevitable it will fail eventually.
Or was there another reason?
I recall a number of years ago Aer Lingus was in the same position until Willie Walsh took over and save it from extinction with a series of cost cuts the Unions opposed but had to give in to if the airline was to survive.
My remarks above also apply to Air Berlin and Alitalia.
Tough on it's employees but for any airline that has a cost base that is too high it's inevitable it will fail eventually.
Or was there another reason?
I recall a number of years ago Aer Lingus was in the same position until Willie Walsh took over and save it from extinction with a series of cost cuts the Unions opposed but had to give in to if the airline was to survive.
My remarks above also apply to Air Berlin and Alitalia.
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Yes ATNotts...your last paragraph is correct as stated before...but you still don`t quite get the scale of it...
Even allowing for hyperbole it is the largest UK airline collapse in UK history...it is the largest peacetime British repatriation ever & the CAA have assembled & in relatively short time one of the largest UK airlines = "Air CAA"....Would you care to be stranded overseas by an American private equity company?..
Pax too have a life you know...& in these numbers as stated before the UK Government really really do have a duty of care...Well done the CAA..
Even allowing for hyperbole it is the largest UK airline collapse in UK history...it is the largest peacetime British repatriation ever & the CAA have assembled & in relatively short time one of the largest UK airlines = "Air CAA"....Would you care to be stranded overseas by an American private equity company?..
Pax too have a life you know...& in these numbers as stated before the UK Government really really do have a duty of care...Well done the CAA..
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As said by others, the most important issue is the lost jobs, although the
engineering side should be unaffected...It will be an inconvenience for holiday
makers abroad if they have to return to a different airport, but that's all.
This has been on the cards for some time, and comes as no real surprise to those
in the industry.
engineering side should be unaffected...It will be an inconvenience for holiday
makers abroad if they have to return to a different airport, but that's all.
This has been on the cards for some time, and comes as no real surprise to those
in the industry.
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Yes ATNotts...your last paragraph is correct as stated before...but you still don`t quite get the scale of it...
Even allowing for hyperbole it is the largest UK airline collapse in UK history...it is the largest peacetime British repatriation ever & the CAA have assembled & in relatively short time one of the largest UK airlines = "Air CAA"....Would you care to be stranded overseas by an American private equity company?..
Pax too have a life you know...& in these numbers as stated before the UK Government really really do have a duty of care...Well done the CAA..
Even allowing for hyperbole it is the largest UK airline collapse in UK history...it is the largest peacetime British repatriation ever & the CAA have assembled & in relatively short time one of the largest UK airlines = "Air CAA"....Would you care to be stranded overseas by an American private equity company?..
Pax too have a life you know...& in these numbers as stated before the UK Government really really do have a duty of care...Well done the CAA..
I know that being out of the country is different, but people are implored to take out travel insurance when travelling, and perhaps those who don't should be responsible for their (in)actions. Sure the CAA should be stepping in; that is what ATOL is for, but equally perhaps they ought to be charging the passengers not covered by ATOL for the cost of their seat. The CAA / HM Government are not a charity.
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EU at it’s worst. Brits tends to do it by the book - some other EU countries use the book when it suits them.
CAA have done exactly what they are paid to do.
Fault is with the incompetent management at Monarch, Greybull and the Mantegazza family.
Superb staff - let down badly by the former and current owners.
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Can't disagree, but this is an insolvency - they happen, in all sectors. If a large electrical retailer had gone bust, just for example, and I had paid £2,000 for a 4K wide screen TV and as a result of the insolvency I wouldn't (immediately) get my money back, would HMG have ensured that I'd get what I ordered with a few hours of when I expected it, even if I didn't have insurance cover (which is what the ATOL essentially is)? I'd be out of pocket, and expected to sort it out myself.
I know that being out of the country is different, but people are implored to take out travel insurance when travelling, and perhaps those who don't should be responsible for their (in)actions. Sure the CAA should be stepping in; that is what ATOL is for, but equally perhaps they ought to be charging the passengers not covered by ATOL for the cost of their seat. The CAA / HM Government are not a charity.
I know that being out of the country is different, but people are implored to take out travel insurance when travelling, and perhaps those who don't should be responsible for their (in)actions. Sure the CAA should be stepping in; that is what ATOL is for, but equally perhaps they ought to be charging the passengers not covered by ATOL for the cost of their seat. The CAA / HM Government are not a charity.
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Nemrytter: I agree with what you say re informing passengers etc but I had 2 gripes. The first being your Daily Mail type comment re thousands of passengers being stranded abroad. Totally untrue. The other was with Justin Webb on the Today programme employing the John Humphries school of annoying interviewing. While talking to the chair of the CAA, Dame Deidre Hutton, this morning, he asked about people being stranded here, there and everywhere within milliseconds of her explaining how nobody would be stranded and what efforts were being made to ensure a smooth return of all affected holiday makers. Obviously, he was not listening to her as she spoke and blundered on with potentially inflammatory "non news". (Hence my reference to the annoying Humphries).
I had to smile when they interviewed a woman on holiday somewhere in Northern Italy who said she had been notified she will be returning home today via British Airways. I wonder if she will or will she get a surprise at someone telling her to board a Qatar Airways flight? Their aircraft arrived in UK last night and at least some are operating with BA9**** flight numbers.
I had to smile when they interviewed a woman on holiday somewhere in Northern Italy who said she had been notified she will be returning home today via British Airways. I wonder if she will or will she get a surprise at someone telling her to board a Qatar Airways flight? Their aircraft arrived in UK last night and at least some are operating with BA9**** flight numbers.
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No - they're reporting the facts. Are they supposed to keep quiet and let people continue to book flights with an airline who are clearly in trouble AGAIN?
lets face it airlines like BA, Easyjet and Ryanair don't lurch from crisis to crisis every 12 months.
There is clearly something horribly wrong with the business model at Monarch and their need for annual corrective action just shows how bad it must be
It's very hard on the employees but it's the owners and management who are to blame not the press
lets face it airlines like BA, Easyjet and Ryanair don't lurch from crisis to crisis every 12 months.
There is clearly something horribly wrong with the business model at Monarch and their need for annual corrective action just shows how bad it must be
It's very hard on the employees but it's the owners and management who are to blame not the press
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