Monarch 4
Joined: Feb 2000
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From: North West
Gosh this is sad. Horribile shock when you airline goes belly up in this way. Damn good Briitish airline Monarch and they did an excellent job throughout.
Huge sympathies to all and here's hoping suitable decent employers are found for all those affected.
Huge sympathies to all and here's hoping suitable decent employers are found for all those affected.
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: Beaumaris
Very sorry, due to fly out today on ZB974 BHX-AGP seats 1A/B oh well! Advance train tickets etc. return on ZB971 next Monday and similar with Train tickets. This is large capacity issue, will other airlines increase capacity.....2 x A321 daily BHX-AGP that's a lot to find alternative availability? Feel very sorry for the staff, always very good they don't deserve this, a great airline.
Joined: Oct 2000
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From: Out of the blue
O'Leary wouldn't pay for the 737 rating that many would need.
I think there are enough 320 and 330 positions out there to shelter our friends before that most final of last resorts would have to be considered.
I think there are enough 320 and 330 positions out there to shelter our friends before that most final of last resorts would have to be considered.
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: southern spain
Quite agree Navpi, the CAA website could not be clearer giving details of all flights etc. Just to add my deepest sympathies to all the staff at Monarch, a very sad day indeed as I go back to the Bristol Britannia days, good luck to everybody.
Joined: May 2015
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From: Europe
Easy, BA, Wizz (who have a new base at Luton), some charter carriers, EU carriers, etc.
I'm hopeful that everyone will be able to find another job quickly, especially with the crew shortages still in some airlines due to EASA regs.
I'm hopeful that everyone will be able to find another job quickly, especially with the crew shortages still in some airlines due to EASA regs.
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Essex
So sad, and so stressful for all the staff. A once proud Monarch joins the likes of Air Europe, Court Line, Laker and Channel Airways as only memories. I always enjoyed my flights on Monarch and I'm really sad to see them go. Terrorism in Turkey, Tunisia and Egypt and the national self-harming of Brexit creating a low £ have contributed to this sad day. Good luck to all involved.
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: UK
They were right, and even Monarch aren't saying they weren't. This show couldn't have lasted another year; there would have been a disorganised collapse at some random time.
It's sad nobody wanted to buy it. I'm wondering if something awful has been done to its assets (borrowing secured against slots or something like that), or if the industry really is in a *terrible* mess.
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Unlike many other countries, the UK does not offer a viable insolvency track for airlines to keep operating during administration and so we were forced to cease operations.
Compare and contrast with the orderly close down of Air Berlin, where the rules are clearly very different.
However ARD are reporting that 100,000 passengers on Air Berlin long haul flights, booked before 15th August (the date of AB's insolvency) will possibly lose their money,and become unsecured creditors of the airline after the sales of the various bits has gone through.
I feel sure that in the wake of the demise of Monarch, HMG will take a knee-jerk response, and insist that all airlines carrying passenger who buy tickets in UK are bonded in a similar way to that which IT PAX are through the ATOL. Whether that is a) workable, and b) desirable I don't know.
Joined: Apr 1999
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From: Manchester, UK
Very sad news, ATB to Monarch crews at this difficult time
Opportune time to look at the system which leaves flight crew pretty much last in line to get what they're owed. Perhaps worth examining the maritime industry where ships may be seized or even sold if crew are left unpaid.
PS. "...Crew shortage due EASA regs" Really? I think what you actually mean is non-investment in training and rock-bottom conditions.
Opportune time to look at the system which leaves flight crew pretty much last in line to get what they're owed. Perhaps worth examining the maritime industry where ships may be seized or even sold if crew are left unpaid.
PS. "...Crew shortage due EASA regs" Really? I think what you actually mean is non-investment in training and rock-bottom conditions.
I Have Control
Joined: May 2004
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From: North-West England
The usual claptrap from BBC, Sky, ITN, et al. The issue for them is NOT lost jobs, perhaps 2100 directly, plus many in former suppliers of Monarch.
No, for the media, especially the taxpayer-funded Beeb, the issue is inconvenienced pax and lost holidays. Those are not tragedies, lost jobs are.
I write from experience, having lost flying jobs twice in the last 20 years. Job loss is a catastrophe for workers and their families, no exceptions.
No, for the media, especially the taxpayer-funded Beeb, the issue is inconvenienced pax and lost holidays. Those are not tragedies, lost jobs are.
I write from experience, having lost flying jobs twice in the last 20 years. Job loss is a catastrophe for workers and their families, no exceptions.
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: .
Or, to look at it from another angle: There's tens of thousands of passenegrs left in the lurch by Monarch going belly up. That makes up a substantially higher proportion of a media organisation's audience than those directly employed by Monarch. However sad this is for the employees, the media is - quite rightly - focusing on a larger issue, IMO.
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: NI
Says Mr Swaffield:
No, those are contributory events. The root cause appears to have been an airline without direction 'led' by management too slow or indifferent to react to a changing market.
The root cause is the closure, due to terrorism, of Sharm-El- Sheikh and Tunisia and the decimation of Turkey.
Pilot of the Airwaves
Joined: Jan 2004
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From: Close to the Med
Great if you live in the UK and are abroad at the moment, for the CAA to be getting you home at no cost. However, if you are a UK ex-pat presently in the UK with a flight back to your home EU country this/next week, they have done nothing to assist, even though they will have aircraft operating outbound legs from the UK empty for repatriation flights. They have no advice to give, if you ring them. Basically if you are an expat British citizen trying to get home, you are on your own. Double standards.