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It appears that all the E195s have now been 're-housed' for 2016.
Cardiff - 2
Doncaster - 2
Exeter - 1 (operates EXT/NWI sun routes)
Newquay - 1
BHX/MAN - 3
Total = 9 (the other 5 have been returned already?)
Cardiff - 2
Doncaster - 2
Exeter - 1 (operates EXT/NWI sun routes)
Newquay - 1
BHX/MAN - 3
Total = 9 (the other 5 have been returned already?)
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Correct NewquayJacob.
Seen an article regarding the matter today. Project Blackbird as BE call it is now completed, which is essentially a loss mitigation programme with the E190's. Says in the article that current losses resulted to around £20 million on the E190's, but hope to reduce that to around £4 million in a few years time. It was initially anticipated that losses would amount to around £80 million from these aircraft.
Begs the question, when the E190's finally all get returned to their lessors, the likes of DSA and perhaps CWL may see their services reduced, or replaced with what BE deem as a replacement for the E190's !
Seen an article regarding the matter today. Project Blackbird as BE call it is now completed, which is essentially a loss mitigation programme with the E190's. Says in the article that current losses resulted to around £20 million on the E190's, but hope to reduce that to around £4 million in a few years time. It was initially anticipated that losses would amount to around £80 million from these aircraft.
Begs the question, when the E190's finally all get returned to their lessors, the likes of DSA and perhaps CWL may see their services reduced, or replaced with what BE deem as a replacement for the E190's !
Yes, & seeing that these bases appear to have been set up precisely to use the E190 on something, anything even, will BEE bother to continue flights when, or if, they finally rid themselves of the aircraft ?
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It's more of a case of when, more than likely whenever the leasing agreements are up on these unless they can rid them in another way. If the opportunity presents itself, BE will get rid of these E190's to anyone !
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I would imagine the ejets will either be bought very cheaply at the end of their leases or they'll just hand them back and replace them with a cheaper type. The Exeter deal is 5 years. The longest lease left is under this figure.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is the wisdom behind looking for employment for the - otherwise unwanted - largest aircraft in the fleet by starting new bases at airports like CWL and DSA from scratch? Most of the routes appear to be the typical run of the mill Flybe destinations and not tailored to the capabilities of the aircraft type in question. Are these airports "supporting" the operations? If not, armchair-CEO-wisdom would suggest that starting those bases with smaller aircraft and using the E195 at the largest existing bases to boost capacity there is more sensible. What am I missing here?
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E195's
NewquayJacob How can you possibly know that the E195's have been 're-housed' for 2016 when the summer timetable is not released until Nov 10th? Do you mean winter 2015/2016?
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gkmeech,
I possibly know by the number of press releases on the internet regarding the completion of Project Blackbird for the redeployment of the 9 remaining E195s. The schedule is not released but the bases for the E195s are. A simply search will reveal all...Flybe shares have increased now the deployment is complete.
Some of the developments are 5 year agreements with airports e.g. EXT so we can sure that they will be there for 2016.
"After struggling to rehome its Embraer E195 jets, Flybe (FLYB) has finally confirmed its remaining six planes will be redeployed for half the cost initially ring-fenced for the scheme, bringing an end to Project Blackbird. This resolves the airline's last major legacy issue and is a huge relief both for management and shareholders following a damaging profits warning at the turn of the year. Attention is now focused on the company's return to health."
I possibly know by the number of press releases on the internet regarding the completion of Project Blackbird for the redeployment of the 9 remaining E195s. The schedule is not released but the bases for the E195s are. A simply search will reveal all...Flybe shares have increased now the deployment is complete.
Some of the developments are 5 year agreements with airports e.g. EXT so we can sure that they will be there for 2016.
"After struggling to rehome its Embraer E195 jets, Flybe (FLYB) has finally confirmed its remaining six planes will be redeployed for half the cost initially ring-fenced for the scheme, bringing an end to Project Blackbird. This resolves the airline's last major legacy issue and is a huge relief both for management and shareholders following a damaging profits warning at the turn of the year. Attention is now focused on the company's return to health."
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I will be a shame to see Flybe ditch the E195's from SOU next year if the above information is correct, especially given they have had a monopoly of the sun routes from SOU ever since they started back in 2003!
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If Flybe don't reinstate there Summer routes with 195's,as it looks distinctly unlightly now,surely the airport management team have a great opportunity to negotiate with a airline (Spanish perhaps) to take up the routes?.They have already secured violeta to palma!
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First of all welcome to PPRUNE and a fellow Sotonian as well.
I totally agree with your post the management at SOU should be trying to secure these sun routes with alternative airlines as there is without doubt the demand for such routes, although it will be a shame if Flybe actually discontinue the sun routes from SOU it's not as if we haven't been prepared for it and even more of a reason they should be taken over by someone else.
First of all welcome to PPRUNE and a fellow Sotonian as well.
I totally agree with your post the management at SOU should be trying to secure these sun routes with alternative airlines as there is without doubt the demand for such routes, although it will be a shame if Flybe actually discontinue the sun routes from SOU it's not as if we haven't been prepared for it and even more of a reason they should be taken over by someone else.
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It makes you wonder SOU did not negotiate a deal with Flybe like EXT/NWI and DSA did - all the EXT routes were due to end but were reinstated in a partnership with the airport.
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Thank you ,
As a matter of interest,what airline would you think has the best mix of aircraft to fly from Southampton to the Sun routes,given runway length available ?
As a matter of interest,what airline would you think has the best mix of aircraft to fly from Southampton to the Sun routes,given runway length available ?
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E-jets at SOU
I've never really understood why Flybe didn't make Southampton a key jet base. For anyone living in Surrey, Hampshire or Sussex the reality is that travelling out of Sou is probably a nicer and certainly faster experience than using LHR or LGW. Couple that with the high class ambience of the E-jet and I would have thought they would be a great success on key business trunk routes as well as the existing sun route portfolio.
The e-jet gives a passenger experience equal or better than anything available from other jet operators in the key South East catchment area with its quiet, modern cabins and 2x2 seating.
Good to hear they have found a home for them though. A truly lovely aeroplane!
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The e-jet gives a passenger experience equal or better than anything available from other jet operators in the key South East catchment area with its quiet, modern cabins and 2x2 seating.
Good to hear they have found a home for them though. A truly lovely aeroplane!
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Don't quote me on it but from what I hear it's all to do with the charges at SOU. Apparently Flybe threatened to pull out all together if they didn't reduce their charges.
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Summer Sun
June until Sep 4 is hardly a full summer schedule from Volotea