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Old 13th Nov 2016, 21:06
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Originally Posted by roverman


MAN is none of the above, it is:

• A provincial city airport in a capital-dominated country.
• Home to only one airline (Thomas Cook)
• Has only a token presence by the national flag carrier.

So none of these airlines base their aircraft at MAN?
  • EasyJet
  • Ryanair
  • Virgin
  • Jet2.com
  • Ryanair
  • Flybe
  • Thomson
  • Monarch
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 21:07
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Not 1bn investment

I was having a goo chat with someone high up in the Plc a week or so ago. the 1bn over 10 years has been revised and cut to around 750m due to the chines investor's getting a bit jittery. plus the building work has been scaled back and will not be as vast as previously reported.

plus the price quoted for materials i.e concrete has increased in value as there was put in pre brexit and the crash of sterling quote.. that's why the start of the building work has been put back till at least may 2017

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 21:13
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The build was always going to be about £800 million, with funds allocated for inflation etc. At no point during consultations was it suggested a full £1bn was being spent on the build. So in fact, sounds like everything on track for what it was anyway. Work should begin in March.

In other news, Virgin increasing Las Vegas to 4 weekly from 9th Sept 2017. Flights will be Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun on B744 and bookable already.
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Jetaway
So none of these airlines base their aircraft at MAN?
  • EasyJet
  • Ryanair
  • Virgin
  • Jet2.com
  • Ryanair
  • Flybe
  • Thomson
  • Monarch
None of those have MAN as their main base.
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 21:34
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Based aircraft

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There is a difference between a "Based airline" and an "airline that has based aurcraft".

All the airlines you quote have based aircraft at Manchester, however their operational base is elsewhere - for an example easyJet are based at Luton and Jet2 at Leeds.

Thomas Cook are the only airline with their head office and operational base at Manchester.
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 22:29
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Jet2 seems to be more based at Manchester than Leeds as all the new B737 except the 1st one have been delivered here and doing acceptance checks at Manchester rather than Leeds also more aircaft based at Manchester.

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Old 13th Nov 2016, 22:49
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And how many EZY frames are based in LGW compared with LTN?
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Old 13th Nov 2016, 23:07
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I think there's only one airline actually based at Heathrow isn't there?
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 00:12
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He simply meant that Thomas Cook are the closest MAN has to a 'home' airline. They are headquartered here and also have a significant base at the airport too.

That said, there are some airlines that will call any of its major crew bases 'home'. I guess it's semantics. Still, Thomas Cook Airlines' home is still very much MAN.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 03:22
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Originally Posted by inOban
And how many EZY frames are based in LGW compared with LTN?
I think the technical term is a shed load. I'm ready to stand corrected but I'm sure LGW has over 50 based
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 04:23
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Originally Posted by Sholto Douglas
Jetaway

There is a difference between a "Based airline" and an "airline that has based aircraft".
Are we a little too hung up here on a quintessentially English model of capital city and "only one base"?

AA is "based" at DFW. Are their operations at ORD or JFK or MIA not a base?

Surely it doesn't matter to MAN how many aircraft an airline has based elsewhere. All that matters is how many aircraft they have based at MAN.

I think many airlines have a base at MAN.

Base or based? Is this perhaps a mildly pedantic touch of the irrelevant?
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 07:24
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Technically BA citiflyer are MAN based with their HQ in Didsbury, but the anomaly is that they do t operate a single route from MAN barring occasional weekend charters.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 07:55
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Not 1bn investment
I was having a goo chat with someone high up in the Plc a week or so ago. the 1bn over 10 years has been revised and cut to around 750m due to the chines investor's getting a bit jittery. plus the building work has been scaled back and will not be as vast as previously reported.

plus the price quoted for materials i.e concrete has increased in value as there was put in pre brexit and the crash of sterling quote.. that's why the start of the building work has been put back till at least may 2017

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I do think this needs clarification. My understanding was that £1bn was £850m plus a sizeable contingency allowance and maybe some fees.

What does your £750m represent - just build or total?

And I'm not sure where the Chinese come into it? I thought their investment was in Airport City and that the TP was going to be self financed by MAG and through its own borrowing facilities.

Can anyone shed any more light on this?
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 08:12
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MAN and Oman Air have confirmed the new Muscat route will be a mix of A332/A333.

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Virgin will not be bringing back the peak A330 next summer. The extra A330 that usually runs extra LAS has now been cancelled, so LAS remains 2 weekly. With that, it means the 3rd weekly BGI and 3rd weekly BOS for the summer peak is also gone.

The 4 weekly LAS from Sept reported yesterday is still happening and is bookable.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 09:29
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
MAN and Oman Air have confirmed the new Muscat route will be a mix of A332/A333.

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Virgin will not be bringing back the peak A330 next summer. The extra A330 that usually runs extra LAS has now been cancelled, so LAS remains 2 weekly. With that, it means the 3rd weekly BGI and 3rd weekly BOS for the summer peak is also gone.

The 4 weekly LAS from Sept reported yesterday is still happening and is bookable.
Not surprising given TCX's presence and popularity from MAN. It will be interesting to see how the SFO route pans out next summer for VS.
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 11:50
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San Fran should be ok. It has some business contracts by all accounts.

The Oman air news is also interesting, as the A333 has a small F cabin, so, will be interesting to see if F is sold or just used as part of the J cabin?
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Old 14th Nov 2016, 12:27
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
San Fran should be ok. It has some business contracts by all accounts.
If MAN-SFO has some business contracts, it makes you wonder whether there is at least some commercial pressure to offer a year round service.

Equally, there must exist the possibility that MAN-JFK will follow the same pattern as MAN-ATL and also be a year round service on VS.
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 07:54
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Looks like Oman Air is confirmed

Oman Air schedules Manchester launch in May 2017 :: Routesonline
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 08:14
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Routes online states they will use a 330-300 with no First; the Oman Air website shows the 330-300 fleet as having 3 aircraft with 6 F/20J/204Y and 3 with 24J/265Y. The 330-200 fleet looks to be all Business/Economy. LHR mostly just seem to get a subset of the fleet - presumably they see the ones with First Class?
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Old 15th Nov 2016, 09:20
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Oman Air today (15NOV16) opened reservation
Where? Still can't book on their website.
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