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Old 25th Nov 2014, 13:43
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And another oversight in failing to acknowledge the glaring inadequacies of the LHR transfer experience.
It's completely rubbish. Just like T3 at MAN.

So having gotten that out of the way, might be worth addressing why so many people keep doing it. That's your hard/soft product combo, T3 MAN on a 1988 build B763 fails on both counts. Nothing wrong with being a local supporter, it's not meant as a put down as many can debate well.

MAN is competing with LHR, so unless the product is half way decent, people can and do choose other options. Remember what a huge hit AA took when BMI came onto MAN-ORD?
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 13:59
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It is no secret that we will soon (next year sometime) hear of plans to deal with the inadequate T1 & T3 so one can say that deficiency will be addressed. What however would you suggest we do about AA choosing to use older aircraft on MAN routes.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 14:48
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I have said, and I meant it, that everyone stays on topic. Already its starting to drift.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 16:04
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My apologies for being guilty of that.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 16:10
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This is a genuine querie MOD. The subject seems to be about MAN and it's AA service. Why is it a thread drift? It's directly related to MAN and particularly the constraints of and felt by the terminals at Manchester Airport.

I'm genuinely confused by the thread drift comment and what is actually allowed to be discussed on the Manchester forum.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 16:57
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Regarding Hainan, the company are to announce 9 new routes in the next 7 weeks.


Tel Aviv, Montreal, London and Manchester will be the first 4, by all accounts.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 19:47
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but let's not forget that "most" pax couldn't really care less if they have to be bussed to an aircraft.
Nonsense. They may well do in the LCC world, where everybody knows what they are (not) paying for, but I don't like being bussed to and from aircraft and I dare you to suggest that on the bus with the pax who have just spent north of 15 hours in economy on SQ328 inbound to MAN, only to find themselves on a remote gate and getting bussed in. There are some very angry folk on there I can assure you.

Moving on to another subject, and apologies if it has been mentioned already, it appears the plans for CX (yield permitting ) is to 'share' stand 206 with SQ when they can. The idea is for CX to come in and unload, then get towed remote while SQ arrives and departs before CX gets towed back to load. If CX is delayed much inbound then that could prove problematic.

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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:05
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While the experience of being bussed to/from an aircraft is needlessly unpleasant in most cases, let's not forget that walking 20 minutes to baggage reclaim, particularly if one has a small child or more, isn't great, either.

My method of choice is the mobile lounge: no slopes or steps to manage, no crowded, dark passageways, no weather.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:06
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...a terminal built for Dash 8s and Embraers.
T3 was built for BA. Post 1-11s. B737s, B767s etc.


I was hoping the events of the last week were down to the Mod being on their period and things would settle down for the rest of the month.
If that doesn't get a ban....
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:11
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I've had extensive experience of both legacy and low cost both as a pax and with work and hear very few complaints of being 'bussed'. Occasionally the organisation of the buses has come in for criticism but the actual process of getting on a bus (the poor souls) rarely in my experience, attracts many complaints.

Of course, many on these forums believe that full service is the holy grail and that it is the LCC's should settle for less. Those truly in the know will tell you that LCC's are often every bit demanding in their stipulations than their legacy counterparts. Their requirements may differ sometimes but nevertheless they are demanding.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:38
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I've had extensive experience of both legacy and low cost both as a pax and with work and hear very few complaints of being 'bussed'.
May I suggest that your extensive experience is in need of an update.

It always causes a groan when it is announced that the flight has arrived on a remote stand. Always. Passengers hate it.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:50
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We'll have to agree to disagree then.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 20:55
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Sorry guys, but I'm with the MODs here, something like 17 of the last 31 posts have been about bussing pax to the aircraft.
It can happen anywhere, ORD, HKG Ive been bussed the world over- which I prefer, to waiting 30-40 minutes for a gate, which also happens all over the world.
Get over it guys & print some news or something interesting.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 21:16
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The original comments focused on whether MAN, an airport, were doing the right thing by AA, an airline, if pax on their routes to ORD & JFK were bused between T1 & T3 and issues it raised for MAN in terms of capacity. Now what's the title of this thread and forum?

To be fair, it has got diverted, or broadened rather by arguments as to whether or not passengers, in particular J class pax, are sufficiently bothered to prefer to fly via LHR with BA. However, perhaps this particular debate has run its course.

Well, an announcement about Hainan is certainly overdue if it's definitely happening. We also await confirmation of EZY's rumoured additional routes and there are expectations of further news from Ryanair. It could be a very good summer in 2015 but if so, let's hope MAN's infrastructure doesn't creak too loudly.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 21:24
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T3

Whilst risking the wrath of the Mods, I think a number of posters here are missing the point. Blue riband customers (ie AA long haul) are being denied the best service (direct to air bridge) to accommodate Ryanair. That may be in the interests of the Airport's bottom line, but it is contrary to accepted service standards (ie the best service to your best customers). In this case, it suggests that the Airport ranks Ryanair more highly than AA. In turn, that tends to rank sunshine routes above business.....no issue for the Airport, but perhaps to the detriment of the North West.
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 22:53
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To be fair, it has got diverted, or broadened rather by arguments as to whether or not passengers, in particular J class pax, are sufficiently bothered to prefer to fly via LHR with BA. However, perhaps this particular debate has run its course.
It's J and F class pax that determine whether a route is profitable, if these chaps don't fly or stop flying trans-Atlantic to/from MAN, the services will be pulled. It is as simple as that.

Whilst risking the wrath of the Mods, I think a number of posters here are missing the point. Blue riband customers (ie AA long haul) are being denied the best service (direct to air bridge) to accommodate Ryanair. That may be in the interests of the Airport's bottom line, but it is contrary to accepted service standards (ie the best service to your best customers). In this case, it suggests that the Airport ranks Ryanair more highly than AA. In turn, that tends to rank sunshine routes above business.....no issue for the Airport, but perhaps to the detriment of the North West.
There's an impression that MAG is distracted by STN. Is this impression correct?
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Old 25th Nov 2014, 23:22
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The Perils of Ranking MAG's 'Best Customers'

Strictly speaking, Ryanair actually IS a more important customer for Manchester Airport than American Airlines. Their Summer 2015 programme is already set at 205 departures per week, and this total could yet rise further from that level. Over coming years, the hope exists that RYR will continue to expand significantly at MAN. Add in Ryanair's importance to MAG as a whole, and the difference becomes a chasm. Ryanair is huge at STN, and remains a key customer at EMA and BOH. American is limited to a modest presence at MAN only.

American Airlines is not unappreciated - far from it - but prior to the US Airways merger they had done little to expand their MAN presence. This Winter, their route suspensions are the longest in years. MAN-ORD capacity provision is at a low ebb. And as Skipness points out, the equipment they use ex-MAN is inferior to that used at competing airports. Meanwhile, their tie-up with AWE has brought, yes the withdrawal of the MAN-CLT Summer schedule. Now, these commercial decisions are no doubt justifiable. But, considering all this, looking at things dispassionately (as successful businesses must), is it right to unthinkingly 'rank' AAL as more precious to MAN/MAG than RYR just because they serve three US destinations?

Business travellers visit cities such as MAD, EIN, Brussels (CRL), DUB and all the others too. Don't disregard the importance of EU connectivity to businesses in Manchester and the wider region. And Ryanair itself has become extremely important to both MAN and the region's travelling public. A slightly half-hearted AAL, welcome and appreciated as they may be, have no inherent right to preferential treatment at the expense of RYR.
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Old 26th Nov 2014, 03:58
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Confirmed that Qatar Airways back to 14 weekly from february.

Randomly its an addition with new times and flight number (QR25/26) rather than expansion into existing times/numbers.

Intention to go 3 daily?
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Old 26th Nov 2014, 04:51
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The QR25/26 arrival/departure time at 1800/1930 is a relatively quiet time in T2 as well. So good use of terminal capacity, and should be a breeze for the customers (no bussing for them )
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Old 26th Nov 2014, 06:00
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QR announced a similar thing at Barcelona so looks like a build-up a of a 3rd bank of departures for them out of Doha
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