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Must be a lot of parked a/c at MAN right now, as NOTAM issued no diversions unless in an emergency due to lack of stands until 11am tomorrow. Is there widespread fog forecast tonight maybe ?
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There are a lot at present due ski flights not yet started.
16 Jet2 based at present of which only about 5 operating during week
just pick on 1 airline and then you have Thomson, Monarch, Thomas Cook
Ryanair, Easyjet and Flybe
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16 Jet2 based at present of which only about 5 operating during week
just pick on 1 airline and then you have Thomson, Monarch, Thomas Cook
Ryanair, Easyjet and Flybe
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"Lack of stands"?
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
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"Lack of stands"?
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
Southside not favoured for diversions due to the number of tug, bus, slow EBTs pulling steps, and general vehicle journeys required to cross Runway 1 - best avoided. Also lack of any floodlighting, difficulty in positioning steps and equipment, I could go on.
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There are so many based units that just sit about. Led to believe there are 14 LS's right now alone, in total there could be 30 a/c sat about all winter ! Makes you wonder, knowing this will be the case, if a storage area out of the way somewhere would help and be simple / cheap to do ?
Let's not forget though they do pay to park, so having them there is certain revenue, versus not having them there and creating space in the hope of getting a few diversions every blue moon instead. It's not 1970 anymore when mass diversion days were common. I'd go for the guaranteed revenue all day long if I had to chose one or the other.
Let's not forget though they do pay to park, so having them there is certain revenue, versus not having them there and creating space in the hope of getting a few diversions every blue moon instead. It's not 1970 anymore when mass diversion days were common. I'd go for the guaranteed revenue all day long if I had to chose one or the other.
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Surely in these days of information technology and ACDM, EGCC is aware of the number of a/c which have filed it as an alternate?
Or is that too much to ask.
In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for long-term parked a/c to be re-positioned, to free up stands for impending div-arrivals. I seem to remember 3 in the engine-run bay on several occasions.
Also, if, (as was suggested here before), the airport had invested in multi-storey car parks, (which would also serve the impending 'Airport City' development), it would be able to use the apron for the purpose it was intended for.
Or is that too much to ask.
In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for long-term parked a/c to be re-positioned, to free up stands for impending div-arrivals. I seem to remember 3 in the engine-run bay on several occasions.
Also, if, (as was suggested here before), the airport had invested in multi-storey car parks, (which would also serve the impending 'Airport City' development), it would be able to use the apron for the purpose it was intended for.
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Probably no extra multi storey car parks in centre as there will be major changes soon when terminal changes are confirmed and there is no point in putting one up to be pulled down again also T1 car park will need to come down anyway.
There is a major car park under 23R approach nearly finished (9000 cars) and a multi storey in Airport City to be built. Some of the stands have been handed back for aircraft parking this winter.
We had this argument last winter about diversions and it has been made clear it upto the handling companies to tell the airport what they can
or will handle so before that is confirmed there is no point in saying yes
unless it is an emergency for what ever reason.
There is a major car park under 23R approach nearly finished (9000 cars) and a multi storey in Airport City to be built. Some of the stands have been handed back for aircraft parking this winter.
We had this argument last winter about diversions and it has been made clear it upto the handling companies to tell the airport what they can
or will handle so before that is confirmed there is no point in saying yes
unless it is an emergency for what ever reason.
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In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for long-term parked a/c to be re-positioned, to free up stands for impending div-arrivals. I seem to remember 3 in the engine-run bay on several occasions.
If I was airline A, I'd be pretty pissed off paying £400 to have my aircraft towed into the test bay and back to accept a divert from rival company B.
It just isn't practical
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The tug crews always sound pretty busy during the evening moving based aircraft off stand and moving remote or hangars and it`s not a 5 minute job as someone is on aircraft plus tug crew then they require steps moving at both end of tug journey.
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Monarch look to be transferring some Cosmos charter flights next summer to Small Planet Airlines. Chania, Kos and Heraklion are all now operated by Small Planet Airlines. Preveza and Rhodes have transferred to Monarch scheduled. Corfu and Skiathos not served next summer.
Cosmos Charter Flights 2015
Tuesday P73788 0915-1515 1630-1840 LGSA
P73974 1300-1900 1950-2210 LGIR
Wednesday P75790 0740-1400 1500-1730 LGKO
Schedule likely to change as same flight times and numbers as Monarch charter for 2014 but provisionally looks as though Small Planet may have more flight from MAN next summer.
Cosmos Charter Flights 2015
Tuesday P73788 0915-1515 1630-1840 LGSA
P73974 1300-1900 1950-2210 LGIR
Wednesday P75790 0740-1400 1500-1730 LGKO
Schedule likely to change as same flight times and numbers as Monarch charter for 2014 but provisionally looks as though Small Planet may have more flight from MAN next summer.
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[QUOTE][ Is there widespread fog forecast tonight maybe ?/QUOTE]
Got it in one I suspect. Before we left for some winter sunshine, I saw that fog was forecast for the SE for Sat night/Sun morning. Whether it materialised, Ive no idea.
If there were no stands available, I doubt it got as far as the handling agents saying 'No'. Sounds like it's going to be a quiet winter for diversions!
Got it in one I suspect. Before we left for some winter sunshine, I saw that fog was forecast for the SE for Sat night/Sun morning. Whether it materialised, Ive no idea.
If there were no stands available, I doubt it got as far as the handling agents saying 'No'. Sounds like it's going to be a quiet winter for diversions!
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Surely in these days of information technology and ACDM, EGCC is aware of the number of a/c which have filed it as an alternate?
Or is that too much to ask
Or is that too much to ask
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Odd but the extra FR flights to SNN on Mon Weds Fri no longer appear in the booking engine
They may have been taken out temporarily due to an press conference in Shannon tomorrow, where there seems to a fair few rumours that some UK expansion will be announced.
The extra MAN flights would make sense to be announced in the bigger picture I would guess.
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BBC News - Cathay Pacific and Flybe air link deal welcomed
Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....
Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....
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Future Plans
I was involved with moves and proposed Terminal changes up until about 6 months ago. It seems to change almost weekly as soon as a plan is announced it seems to get shelved.
Proposals were ...... T2 Extension to start winter 2014 as a matter of urgency. Included in this was a domestic area (nope not a clue where it will go) specificly to move B.A over there with there buddies AA/USair.
Originally when Ryanair moved to T3 one of the things that was brought up was that they like to have between 12-16 a/c as a based fleet, and that they should look to the future with this in mind, a plan was drawn up to accomodate this, but will probably have changed by now. It did involve a lot of remote parking for other operators.
The plan at the time was to extend T2 so that it could take about 20 million pax, and then drop, and rebuild T1/T3 together. As it stands the last plans showed T1 being dropped and a hotel being built on the current tower area, which seems to be inline with the diversifying into retail aspect of the current management. I.e the Trafford centre with a captive audience of pax and incidental parking for those infernal flying machines.
Proposals were ...... T2 Extension to start winter 2014 as a matter of urgency. Included in this was a domestic area (nope not a clue where it will go) specificly to move B.A over there with there buddies AA/USair.
Originally when Ryanair moved to T3 one of the things that was brought up was that they like to have between 12-16 a/c as a based fleet, and that they should look to the future with this in mind, a plan was drawn up to accomodate this, but will probably have changed by now. It did involve a lot of remote parking for other operators.
The plan at the time was to extend T2 so that it could take about 20 million pax, and then drop, and rebuild T1/T3 together. As it stands the last plans showed T1 being dropped and a hotel being built on the current tower area, which seems to be inline with the diversifying into retail aspect of the current management. I.e the Trafford centre with a captive audience of pax and incidental parking for those infernal flying machines.
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BBC News - Cathay Pacific and Flybe air link deal welcomed
Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....
Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....
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The future plans are really interesting although perish the thought they can be discussed here.
Do you think that layout will actually take capacity up ?
The future plans are really interesting although perish the thought they can be discussed here.
Do you think that layout will actually take capacity up ?
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