Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

MANCHESTER 1

Old 29th Nov 2014, 16:15
  #81 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
Age: 50
Posts: 720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Must be a lot of parked a/c at MAN right now, as NOTAM issued no diversions unless in an emergency due to lack of stands until 11am tomorrow. Is there widespread fog forecast tonight maybe ?
eggc is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 17:38
  #82 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockport
Age: 68
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There are a lot at present due ski flights not yet started.
16 Jet2 based at present of which only about 5 operating during week
just pick on 1 airline and then you have Thomson, Monarch, Thomas Cook
Ryanair, Easyjet and Flybe

Ian
Ian Brooks is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 17:46
  #83 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Posts: 1,998
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Lack of stands"?
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
ZOOKER is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 18:22
  #84 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manchester, England
Posts: 592
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Lack of stands"?
05R/23L doesn't usually open until after Sunday lunch has been served, so there is your available diversion parking.....on the taxiways between left and right and north of R/W 1. If necessary, tow all of these already parked a/c out of the way. It's not rocket science.
Runway 2 and southern taxiways are having repair works this weekend whilst closed.
Southside not favoured for diversions due to the number of tug, bus, slow EBTs pulling steps, and general vehicle journeys required to cross Runway 1 - best avoided. Also lack of any floodlighting, difficulty in positioning steps and equipment, I could go on.

Last edited by roverman; 29th Nov 2014 at 18:28. Reason: Additional text
roverman is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 18:37
  #85 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
Age: 50
Posts: 720
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There are so many based units that just sit about. Led to believe there are 14 LS's right now alone, in total there could be 30 a/c sat about all winter ! Makes you wonder, knowing this will be the case, if a storage area out of the way somewhere would help and be simple / cheap to do ?

Let's not forget though they do pay to park, so having them there is certain revenue, versus not having them there and creating space in the hope of getting a few diversions every blue moon instead. It's not 1970 anymore when mass diversion days were common. I'd go for the guaranteed revenue all day long if I had to chose one or the other.
eggc is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 19:36
  #86 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The foot of Mt. Belzoni.
Posts: 1,998
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Surely in these days of information technology and ACDM, EGCC is aware of the number of a/c which have filed it as an alternate?
Or is that too much to ask.
In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for long-term parked a/c to be re-positioned, to free up stands for impending div-arrivals. I seem to remember 3 in the engine-run bay on several occasions.
Also, if, (as was suggested here before), the airport had invested in multi-storey car parks, (which would also serve the impending 'Airport City' development), it would be able to use the apron for the purpose it was intended for.
ZOOKER is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 21:31
  #87 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockport
Age: 68
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Probably no extra multi storey car parks in centre as there will be major changes soon when terminal changes are confirmed and there is no point in putting one up to be pulled down again also T1 car park will need to come down anyway.
There is a major car park under 23R approach nearly finished (9000 cars) and a multi storey in Airport City to be built. Some of the stands have been handed back for aircraft parking this winter.
We had this argument last winter about diversions and it has been made clear it upto the handling companies to tell the airport what they can
or will handle so before that is confirmed there is no point in saying yes
unless it is an emergency for what ever reason.
Ian Brooks is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 22:18
  #88 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: England
Posts: 1,008
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In the 1990s, it was not uncommon for long-term parked a/c to be re-positioned, to free up stands for impending div-arrivals. I seem to remember 3 in the engine-run bay on several occasions.
Who's going to pay for these aircraft to be towed around willy nilly on the off chance the airport gets a divert?

If I was airline A, I'd be pretty pissed off paying 400 to have my aircraft towed into the test bay and back to accept a divert from rival company B.

It just isn't practical
750XL is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 22:26
  #89 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I remember them parking a bmi A330 and Monarch A320 in the engine bay one night in the early 2000's.
LAX_LHR is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2014, 22:53
  #90 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockport
Age: 68
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The tug crews always sound pretty busy during the evening moving based aircraft off stand and moving remote or hangars and it`s not a 5 minute job as someone is on aircraft plus tug crew then they require steps moving at both end of tug journey.
Ian Brooks is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 12:14
  #91 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Manchester
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Monarch look to be transferring some Cosmos charter flights next summer to Small Planet Airlines. Chania, Kos and Heraklion are all now operated by Small Planet Airlines. Preveza and Rhodes have transferred to Monarch scheduled. Corfu and Skiathos not served next summer.

Cosmos Charter Flights 2015

Tuesday P73788 0915-1515 1630-1840 LGSA
P73974 1300-1900 1950-2210 LGIR

Wednesday P75790 0740-1400 1500-1730 LGKO

Schedule likely to change as same flight times and numbers as Monarch charter for 2014 but provisionally looks as though Small Planet may have more flight from MAN next summer.
kieb92 is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 12:30
  #92 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 1,156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
[QUOTE][ Is there widespread fog forecast tonight maybe ?/QUOTE]

Got it in one I suspect. Before we left for some winter sunshine, I saw that fog was forecast for the SE for Sat night/Sun morning. Whether it materialised, Ive no idea.

If there were no stands available, I doubt it got as far as the handling agents saying 'No'. Sounds like it's going to be a quiet winter for diversions!
MANFOD is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 15:07
  #93 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Manchester
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
New Ryanair route from MAN - 2 weekly to Chania LGSA

MAN based A/C

FR 2821 0700-1310 Tue/Sat
kieb92 is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 16:43
  #94 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 353
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Odd but the extra FR flights to SNN on Mon Weds Fri no longer appear in the booking engine.
viscount702 is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 17:17
  #95 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Surely in these days of information technology and ACDM, EGCC is aware of the number of a/c which have filed it as an alternate?
Or is that too much to ask
Why do a/c continue to file EGCC as an alternate? The situation there (lack of resources and/or lack of space and general low cost environment) must be well documented by now.
dave59 is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2014, 17:20
  #96 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Posts: 2,962
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Odd but the extra FR flights to SNN on Mon Weds Fri no longer appear in the booking engine

They may have been taken out temporarily due to an press conference in Shannon tomorrow, where there seems to a fair few rumours that some UK expansion will be announced.


The extra MAN flights would make sense to be announced in the bigger picture I would guess.
LAX_LHR is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2014, 21:21
  #97 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BBC News - Cathay Pacific and Flybe air link deal welcomed

Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....

Last edited by Bagso; 1st Dec 2014 at 21:36.
Bagso is offline  
Old 2nd Dec 2014, 10:06
  #98 (permalink)  
zfw
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Somewhere else
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Future Plans

I was involved with moves and proposed Terminal changes up until about 6 months ago. It seems to change almost weekly as soon as a plan is announced it seems to get shelved.
Proposals were ...... T2 Extension to start winter 2014 as a matter of urgency. Included in this was a domestic area (nope not a clue where it will go) specificly to move B.A over there with there buddies AA/USair.
Originally when Ryanair moved to T3 one of the things that was brought up was that they like to have between 12-16 a/c as a based fleet, and that they should look to the future with this in mind, a plan was drawn up to accomodate this, but will probably have changed by now. It did involve a lot of remote parking for other operators.
The plan at the time was to extend T2 so that it could take about 20 million pax, and then drop, and rebuild T1/T3 together. As it stands the last plans showed T1 being dropped and a hotel being built on the current tower area, which seems to be inline with the diversifying into retail aspect of the current management. I.e the Trafford centre with a captive audience of pax and incidental parking for those infernal flying machines.
zfw is offline  
Old 2nd Dec 2014, 13:04
  #99 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Home away from home
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BBC News - Cathay Pacific and Flybe air link deal welcomed

Great news that this should appear all over Scotland and for once not the M E N where you are essentially preaching to the converted.....
Good news indeed, however how will this work practically? Cathay is to be T2 and Flybee is T3, will there be the option of bussing airside or will transfering pax have to go landside and then go through security again?
Crazy Voyager is offline  
Old 2nd Dec 2014, 14:16
  #100 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ZFW

The future plans are really interesting although perish the thought they can be discussed here.

Do you think that layout will actually take capacity up ?

Last edited by Bagso; 2nd Dec 2014 at 14:51.
Bagso is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.