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Unfortunately I agree that the web page, I wouldn't call it a site is a little dire. But let's be positive and hope it evolves. My concern is that they appear (please someone say I'm wrong here) to have one leased jet. If it were to go u/s on the day before the SEN rotation, what would be the fall back option? Just a thought...
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Perhaps when the booking system goes online we'll see some changes to the site (such as an English version)? As for the leased CRJ200 surely they would have thought that through beforehand, and maybe have some agreement in place with Bombardier to supply an emergency replacement if necessary? Perhaps someone with some knowledge in this area could shed some light on this...
It will be interesting to see how long it takes for SEN to start advertising them through Facebook, Twitter and on their website.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes for SEN to start advertising them through Facebook, Twitter and on their website.
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Mikkie4, if they do actually add an additional departure point I'm sure it will be LCY which has no flights to the major cities and thus offers a USP for SK, which they have lost with the major incursion of DY in particular but also EZY/FR into their markets.
Failing that it will be STN with which SK has a long association and has lost service to CPH (as good as), ARN and OSL. The major airports offer the only possible weapon in the fight with FR.
As great as SEN is, I'd be extremely surprised if SK moved in.
Failing that it will be STN with which SK has a long association and has lost service to CPH (as good as), ARN and OSL. The major airports offer the only possible weapon in the fight with FR.
As great as SEN is, I'd be extremely surprised if SK moved in.
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Again I agree with Airport Panner. The likelihood of a national carrier the size of SAS picking SEN is so small it's not worth considering. Sorry, but it's a fact.
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Also worth pointing out that SAS made it very clear that they would not lose any capacity through the selling of some slot pairings at LHR as they would use larger aircraft to make up for the lost slots/capacity. Agree that LCY would be a popular choice for them should they eventually decide to offer an alternative London arrival point, but they would have to use the much smaller CRJ aircraft operated by Cimber for that to work, whereas SEN could cater for their Boeing 737-600/700s as well as A319/320s.
Having SAS operating schedules into SEN is a nice dream, but that's all it is.
As far as Air Karnten is concerned they are saying that ticket sales will not commence until April so it's a bit hard on them to assume they will not have a decent reservations website up and running by then. Contrary assumptions cannot be made based upon their current web page, which at the moment seems to be aimed just at generating interest in the routes on offer. It will be interesting to see their response to emails from that current page.
As far as Air Karnten is concerned they are saying that ticket sales will not commence until April so it's a bit hard on them to assume they will not have a decent reservations website up and running by then. Contrary assumptions cannot be made based upon their current web page, which at the moment seems to be aimed just at generating interest in the routes on offer. It will be interesting to see their response to emails from that current page.
I notice the Southend airport website has no mention of Air Karnten. Have the airline and airport signed any paperwork yet, or is all the news in the press just hypothetical speculation at the moment ?
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Although SAS is the national carrier of Sweden, Denmark and Norway, it is now a much smaller operation to the pre- Norwegian , EZY, RYR days and must be having a tough time against these low cost carriers.
Operating out of SEN will give them valuable slots whenever they require, congestion free terminal operations and speedy rail travel into London, less flight times and ATC congestion than from the other LON airports and i would assume lower landing fees etc.
i hope that SEN management right now are making a big play for this service if they decide to operate from another London airport - their is no clash with EZY on Scandinavia out of SEN so no problem there.
Who would ever have imagined EZY operating out of SEN a few years ago and lets face it they are a much bigger carrier than SAS these days.
Stranger things have happened in this business in the past and i remain ever hopeful on this one
Operating out of SEN will give them valuable slots whenever they require, congestion free terminal operations and speedy rail travel into London, less flight times and ATC congestion than from the other LON airports and i would assume lower landing fees etc.
i hope that SEN management right now are making a big play for this service if they decide to operate from another London airport - their is no clash with EZY on Scandinavia out of SEN so no problem there.
Who would ever have imagined EZY operating out of SEN a few years ago and lets face it they are a much bigger carrier than SAS these days.
Stranger things have happened in this business in the past and i remain ever hopeful on this one
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Come on mikkie4 no one has said anything derogatory about your post, we are just being realistic.
For SEN, if you talk about a small/niche operator (like Air Karnten/Skywork) or route (ie Vigo), or some ski charters, or EZY to grow again, or some domestic BE, or even someone like Germanwings moving airports, I see how it could be a feasible proposition. But a struggling 'national' carrier that tends to stick to primary airports, I just don't buy it.
For SEN, if you talk about a small/niche operator (like Air Karnten/Skywork) or route (ie Vigo), or some ski charters, or EZY to grow again, or some domestic BE, or even someone like Germanwings moving airports, I see how it could be a feasible proposition. But a struggling 'national' carrier that tends to stick to primary airports, I just don't buy it.
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I also have to admit that this thread is often inhabited by fantasists not that I am knocking those that like to daydream. It often seems that only Expressflight has a grip of reality but saying that I do enjoy reading the posts here.
Air Karnten
According to Austrian Aviation Net, Air Karnten (Air Corinthia) have applied for an AOC and the major Austrian tour companies have, very sensibly, declined to buy seats on the airline's prospective routes until such time as it is granted.
The airline's owners have said that they are confident of gaining the AOC by April when it's planned for the routes to go on general sale. That's a very tight timescale in my view unless the Austrian authorities work considerably faster than their UK counterparts.
The reply to an email inquiry from the Air Karnten webpage simply states the period and days of operation, the flights schedule (Thursday KLU 0745, SEN 0853/1045(?), KLU 1353, Sunday KLU 1230, SEN 1338/1420, KLU 1728) and the ticket price as being 175 euros one way. As I suggested earlier the email inquiry form is just a means of stimulating interest in the route at this stage rather than seeking bookings.
The airline's owners have said that they are confident of gaining the AOC by April when it's planned for the routes to go on general sale. That's a very tight timescale in my view unless the Austrian authorities work considerably faster than their UK counterparts.
The reply to an email inquiry from the Air Karnten webpage simply states the period and days of operation, the flights schedule (Thursday KLU 0745, SEN 0853/1045(?), KLU 1353, Sunday KLU 1230, SEN 1338/1420, KLU 1728) and the ticket price as being 175 euros one way. As I suggested earlier the email inquiry form is just a means of stimulating interest in the route at this stage rather than seeking bookings.