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Old 28th May 2017, 08:38
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Today's Flybe/Stobart flights to LYS, GRQ, MXP, PRG, RNS, VCE and VIE are all sold out, as is LYS tomorrow. PGF is available today at £410 so pretty much sold out by the look of it.

Only what you would hope for on a Bank Holiday weekend but still good to see.
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Old 28th May 2017, 09:58
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Yesterday's flights to Reus and Cologne were also sold out, no doubt the BOGOF offer helped.

SEN has the feel of a 'proper airport' about it at the moment - albeit small scale. All that's needed is a major breakdown of the baggage handling system, or a catastrophic IT failure and they'll be right up there with the big boys.
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Still no sign of the Flybe/Stobart winter schedule. I imagine some decisions are still to be made.
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Old 28th May 2017, 19:40
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Originally Posted by tws123
Still no sign of the Flybe/Stobart winter schedule. I imagine some decisions are still to be made.
Is WX (Cityjet) a fly in the ointment
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You need to get your facts right. Flightline was not owned by TBI it was owned by a private Guernsey resident. TBI owned Cardiff, Belfast and Luton Airports and never owned Scatsa. The 146, G-OTBI was owned by TBI and operated by Flightline in its ad hoc and ACMI operations and never in support of schedule services from TBI airports.

Servisair never owned any airports and KLM do not own Schipol just as BA do not own Heathrow. Brymon never owne Plymouth Airport it is owned by Plymouth Council.

Stobart are not alone as airport owners in operating schedule services from their airports. Norwich, Exeter, Cardiff and Doncaster all have underwritten schedules operated on their behalf by Flybe:
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Old 29th May 2017, 06:36
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Harry Wayfarers

You need to get your facts right. Flightline was not owned by TBI it was owned by a private Guernsey resident. TBI owned Cardiff, Belfast and Luton Airports and never owned Scatsa. The 146, G-OTBI was owned by TBI and operated by Flightline in its ad hoc and ACMI operations and never in support of schedule services from TBI airports.

Servisair never owned any airports and KLM do not own Schipol just as BA do not own Heathrow. Brymon never owne Plymouth Airport it is owned by Plymouth Council.

Stobart are not alone as airport owners in operating schedule services from their airports. Norwich, Exeter, Cardiff and Doncaster all have underwritten schedules operated on their behalf by Flybe:
I need to get my facts right??? ... As I understand it Stobart do not own an airport that they operate schedule services from but that they operate SEN on a long-term lease!

P.S.. The parent company of Servisair at the time, British & Commonwealth Shipping, owned an airport or few!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ealth_Holdings

British & Commonwealth were the ultimate owners of British United Airways (BUA), Britain's largest wholly private, independent airline of the 1960s, as well as its subsidiaries and sister companies, including British United Air Ferries and British United Island Airways (BUIA). They were also a shareholder of Bristow Helicopters, at the time the UK's biggest helicopter company as well as one of the largest in the world,[3] acquiring full control in 1985.[4]
In late 1970 British & Commonwealth sold BUA along with three new BAC One-Eleven 500 aircraft it had leased to the airline to Caledonian Airways for £12m. It continued to own BUIA, which had changed its name to British Island Airways (BIA) in July 1970.[3]
Until its collapse, British & Commonwealth had also been the majority shareholder of Air UK, at the time the UK's largest regional airline and BIA's successor, and also Servisair the airline and cargo ground handling company based, at the time, in Bramhall.
http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/inde...ic=5761.0;wap2

In 1991 the then owner of Redhill, British and Commonwealth Ltd was facing liquidation and the aerodrome was acquired by its present owner, Redhill Aerodrome Ventures Ltd.
P.P.S. Skavsta, not Scatsa:

http://www.skavsta.se/en/content/8/1...formation.html

Since 1998, the British company TBI owned and managed seven airports; amongst others Belfast Int., Orlando Sanford Int. (USA), London Luton Airport and Stockholm Skavsta Airport.

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Old 29th May 2017, 06:40
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Luton was also never owned by TBI and continues to be owned by the council but TBI did run it as a lease.
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Long Stay 2

Work has started on the extension to car park Long Stay 2. I noticed a few days ago that the area was being looked at by a trio of surveyors (I think) wearing high viz vests and hard hats and I see this morning that a digger has moved in and appears to be removing the grass.

On another matter, mik3bravo wonders if Cityjet could be a "fly in the ointment". I am puzzling over what this could be and what exactly could be meant. Am I being incredibly thick and not picking up on something obvious? Sorry if I am!
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Old 31st May 2017, 13:27
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I didn't understand the Cityjet "fly in the ointment" comment either in reference to the Flybe/Stobart winter schedule.

Talking of Cityjet, Pat Byrne is reported in The Sunday Independent as saying that the RJ fleet will not be retired in 2018/19 as planned but retained until "about 2021" and that they are currently being refurbished with this in mind. He's quoted as saying that Cityjet "(now) see more opportunity for them".
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Old 31st May 2017, 13:36
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RJ fleet will not be retired in 2018/19 as planned but retained until "about 2021"
Refurbishing them for just a further 2 to 3 years seems to be extreme!

A local airline here are operating 2 x BAe146-100's of 31 y/o vintage in to our short island airstrip ... gawd knows what they're going to do in a few years from now!
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Old 31st May 2017, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers
Refurbishing them for just a further 2 to 3 years seems to be extreme!
Are they refurbing them with a pale blue and white interior?
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Old 31st May 2017, 15:50
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A local airline here are operating 2 x BAe146-100's of 31 y/o vintage in to our short island airstrip ... gawd knows what they're going to do in a few years from now!
Provided the price of fuel doesn't go ballistic operate 146s or RJ85s I should think!
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 03:31
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Originally Posted by 22/04
Provided the price of fuel doesn't go ballistic operate 146s or RJ85s I should think!
Operating 40 (ish) y/o geriatric jets that needed significant TLC even when they were new!

The runway here ain't long enough for loaded RJ85's.
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1270m would allow Bombardier CS-100s to operate, if the local airline happens to win the Irish Lottery.......
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So are we to infer from the last few posts that Stobart are looking for a new ACMI deal, either to expand operations or replace the current arrangements? If that's the case, why the concern regarding the aircraft type? Surely, Stobart can at least be credited with the ability to ensure that any operator they deal with can deliver the service required for an agreed price.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 11:43
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I would not describe posts on this forum as constituting a sound basis for making any such inference whatsoever.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Barling Magna
1270m would allow Bombardier CS-100s to operate, if the local airline happens to win the Irish Lottery.......
The local airline operates shiny A320/330's and has an order in for the latest ATR72's, alas the jets are useless with the runway length whilst the ATR's can only operate short hops ... This geriatric 146 operator has come in but once the runway has been extended they're going to be screwed by the big boys.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 13:13
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Is it just me that has no idea what's been talked about? What 'local airline' at SEN operates A320/A330s, has an order in for ATRs and ...

Losing the plot ... I'll come back next week
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Originally Posted by cumbrianboy
Is it just me that has no idea what's been talked about? What 'local airline' at SEN operates A320/A330s, has an order in for ATRs and ...

Losing the plot ... I'll come back next week
I think they were discussing IAO #threaddrift
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 21:51
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News on summer bookings

Our eleven new Stobart Air/Flybe routes from London Southend Airport are off to a solid start as we have taken more than 60,000 bookings already for the summer season.
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