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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 22:44
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A good article in the Echo today:

Durham Tees Valley boss says airport remains at the heart of the region's ambitions as it celebrates 50th anniversary (From The Northern Echo)

Though the 50th anniversary was actually two years ago, only the new terminal building was completed and opened in 1966
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 01:18
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Rumours abounding down here in sunny London say that Flybe will be looking at starting routes from Northolt (5 miles north of LHR) to Humberside, Liverpool, Dundee, Newquay and last but not least Teesside.
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Old 4th Nov 2016, 20:32
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Originally Posted by aceofthebase View Post
Rumours abounding down here in sunny London say that Flybe will be looking at starting routes from Northolt (5 miles north of LHR) to Humberside, Liverpool, Dundee, Newquay and last but not least Teesside.
Where is this Teesside you speak of 🤔
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 15:09
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Just noticed the Sunday morning departure to Amsterdam not on the boa de..is this a one off or a reduction for the winter?
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 15:25
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I think it's a '2 off', according to DTVMovements, the KLM timetable is very inconsistent throughout the winter schedule.

Reading some of the objections to the housing recently, it was enough to convince me they will be rejected, in which case I will be very very worried about the future of the airport.
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 17:26
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Cause for concern...Eastern schedules erratic,,Now. KLM maybe,possibly,housing...seems to me like not a lot of positive,positives?
It's going to be a hard winter??
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 19:53
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Bit of a downer from you Robert.
Will be interesting to see what the housing opponents have to say if they do cause damage to what is left of the airport.

On the up side hangar 1 is starting to look good with the door overhaul nearly complete.
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 20:16
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So it will all be the opponents of housing fault?

You do have to wonder about Peels approach - a couple of points:

1. the recent comments about LHR just seem to have reflected a general attitude of "we are happy to talk if we're approached" rather than giving the impression of chasing new business; and

2. despite all of Beefer's bluster, he does make the point that Peel aren't short of a few quid and aren't afraid of making bold decisions/investments. But not at DTVA - any investment seems to need to be able to attract outside funding as well, or the selling off assets.
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 20:41
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Just another point..it's all positive from Heathrow re expansion etc. We all know it's going to be a long hard road(runway) before tarmac is laid?

So, It's not Heathrow who dictates/organanises flights into their airport.Its down to the airlines..what incentives will PEEL offer these airlines to introduce flights? Time will tell no doubt?
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Old 7th Nov 2016, 00:13
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Regarding SWBKCBs point #2, I get the impression the conversation between Peel Airports and Peel Holdings went something along the lines of:

PA: "Can we have x millions to build hangars, business parks and industrial units"
PH: "How much return are we going to get from this little venture?"
PA: "Well, we're not exactly sure but we are confident we can deliver x amount of profit"
PH: "You'll have to do better than confident, we need guarantees if you want our money...otherwise raise your own"
PA: "Ok that's what we'll have to do then, plan A will be the Regional Growth Fund, and if that fails then Plan B will be housing"
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 01:18
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Rumours in the village is the housing will be knocked back with the legal objections.
What happens to the master plan if that happens? will the empire come up with a new plan involving wind turbines which has been mooted in the past?
Something is going on at DTV with terminations of councillors on the board. One of whom only joined the board in June, David Walsh.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
Jumping ship or asking too many questions which Peel don't want to answer? 4 months must be the shortest time there.
The new accounts are due next month which should be revealing to see how the airport finances are progressing?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
There are a couple of Charges outstanding on the company filed accounts.
Can anybody explain what they mean?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...020423/charges
One appears to be free hold land k/a St.George Hotel owned by Middlesbrough Council, and the other is to do with all property known as Oak Tree Farm.
Isn't this where the houses are planned for? Does this mean this property is actually owned by that council and the couple mentioned?
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 08:03
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Who knows the answers.

It does throw up another scenario though...if the housing is knocked back or even delayed due to planning objections..how much appetite do Peel have for a fight? Will they actually want to put their hands in their pocket and show us the colour of their money?
Or as the realists on this thread( and locals I speak to)think,they will cut and run.
There is no doubt the councils want and need an airport..maybe offer to buy back at a cut rate and then develop over time?
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 11:33
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With KLM's last Fokker 70 being retired on 29/10/17, MME should be getting the new E-175's from 30th October 2017. I'm not sure if any of them will be showing up before then, but they may do. Durham Tees Valley is listed as one of the last destinations based on the schedule for 29/10/17.

Taken from Airlineroute, routesonline:

"Based on preliminary schedule filing for summer 2017 and winter 2017/18 season, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines has temporary filed last Fokker 70 operation on 29OCT17.

As of 06NOV16, KLM’s Fokker 70 operation on 29OCT17 as follow.

Basel/Mulhouse – Amsterdam
Bremen – Amsterdam
Brussels – Amsterdam
Durham Tees Valley – Amsterdam
Dusseldorf – Amsterdam
Frankfurt – Amsterdam
Hanover – Amsterdam
Humberside – Amsterdam
Norwich – Amsterdam

The Fokker 70 aircraft is operated by KLMcityhopper. Schedule listing on/after 29OCT17 displays all KLMcityhopper service operated by Embraer E175/190 aircraft. Last Fokker 70 operation remains subject to change."
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 17:48
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Last Fokker 70 operation remains subject to change."
the short answer
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 14:15
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With the permanent changes to SRA and lack of full time fire cover, have there been more staff cuts?

NATS: Preflight information services

EGNV - DURHAM TEES VALLEY

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Q) EGTT/QPICH/I/NBO/A/000/999/5431N00126W005
REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO 1NM SRA FOR RWY 05/23
UK AIP EGNV AD 2.24, AD 2-EGNV-8-3 AND AD 2-EGNV-8-7 REFER
C4110/16
FROM: 18 AUG 2016 13:09 TO: PERM
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Q) EGTT/QOBCE/IV/M/AE/000/007/5439N00120W001
OBST WINDFARM/MAST WI 1NM 543917N 0011933W (RED GAP MOOR,
HARTLEPOOL). UP TO 415FT AGL/665FT AMSL. FOR INFO CONTACT 0207 566
8602 OR 07587 550428. ON EXPIRY OF THIS NOTAM DETAILS WILL BE
INCLUDED IN THE UK AIP ENR 5.4 16-11-0022/AS4
C4980/16
FROM: 01 NOV 2016 00:01 TO: 30 JAN 2017 23:59
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Q) EGTT/QFFCH/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5431N00126W005
FIRE AND RESCUE CAT WILL BE AS PER AIP ENTRY EXCEPT FOR:
WED
1120-1555 CAT 3
1725-2050 CAT 4
THU
0625-0920 CAT 4
1055-1555 CAT 4
1725-2050 CAT 4
FRI
0625-0920 CAT 4
1050-1555 CAT 4
1725-2050 CAT 4
SAT
0715-0920 CAT 4
1050-2050 CAT 4
SUN
0625-0920 CAT 4
1050-1635 CAT 4
1635-2050 CAT 5
UP TO FIRE CAT 9 AVBL BY PRIOR ARRANGEMENT. SHORT TERM REDUCTIONS OF
CAT MAY OCCUR AT TIMES WHICH WILL NOT AFFECT SCHEDULED TRAFFIC.
DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT IS PPR ONLY.
C5724/16
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 16:16
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Beafer, what you have dug up there is a normal working week, no cut backs just standard practice for the past numerous years. Fire CAT 9 is 747 and don't forget we had a week of 747F visits just this time last year.


Another none story from the news hound! What the first Q is someone more qualified might come along and enlighten us all.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 16:28
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Beafer, what you have dug up there is a normal working week, no cut backs just standard practice for the past numerous years. Fire CAT 9 is 747 and don't forget we had a week of 747F visits just this time last year.


Another none story from the news hound! What the first Q is someone more qualified might come along and enlighten us all.
Surveillance Radar Approach. The RTR is the distance from touchdown at which the controller stops giving headings, i.e. the distance of the missed approach point from the threshold.

That's actually a direction for removal of approach charts designating 1nm RTR, now back to 2nm. And no I don't know wether it was initially 1nm or a simple mis classification.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 19:07
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Service degrade..but not just here...

No big deal..my understanding is that a one mile SRA needs a dedicated controller who can do no other function. If DTV only has 2 controllers on duty..which is the norm now..then that function couldn't be carried out as there would be no other radar man available for all the other traffic?

I think a lot of uk airports are doing this..and yes its cost cutting,but the norm now ,less service for the customer!!
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 19:09
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Sorry meant to add..a 2 mile SRA can be completed while doing other radar tasks.. i.e. With only 2 controllers on duty?
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 22:23
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Regarding the Companies House legal documents.
The outstanding charges appear to mean the land is owned by Middlesbrough Council and its a type of mortgage on the Hotel land.
There are a lot of clauses if things don’t work out the way Peel want.
28 pages. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...S6vp6CLFlq57-o

The other charge relates to a couple who own the Oak Tree land.
3 pages. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...PrvCZy0QIrvI-0
Unless I am mistaken, Peel do not own all of the land which they are asking to build on. The land ownership plot thickens.
Wonder why the other councils didn't hang on to the freehold like Middlesbrough and the couple mentioned?
It may become clear when the airport sale documents are made public.
Still no explanation why councillor Walsh jumped ship after 4 months on the DTV board?

Last edited by Beafer; 10th Nov 2016 at 22:25. Reason: Board of directors changes
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