EDINBURGH - 2

[nighthawk117]

That didn't take long:

UK and China have agreed a deal to increase flights between the 2 nations

Under the new deal passenger flights can now increase from the current maximum of 40 per week for each nation to up to 100. There will be no limit on the number of all-cargo services, creating new opportunities for UK trade and businesses.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...global-britain


Better hurry up with those stands then

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by nighthawk117

That didn't take long:


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...global-britain


Better hurry up with those stands then

Good news, the fact that Edinburgh sent a team of 5 to china for the world routes suggests they're really striving for a direct Chinese flight, hopefully it's not too far away.

[CraigJay]

Looks like Aegean will be starting service to Edinburgh next June.

[CabinCrewe]

Interesting. Will watch to see what this does. Is it just high summer? Hopefully initial high fares are just the first fare buckets. Odd suggested flight times.
Cant see EZY getting too anxious.
Aegean offer a very good product compared to BA.

[inOban]

According to routes online today it's peak summer - late June until mid September.

[A350Saltire]

EY and QR performing well during July and August from EDI.

July:

QR = 12% growth with 14,290 passengers (avg load factor of 91%)

EY = 6% growth with 13,957 passengers (avg load factor of 86%)

August:

QR = 7% growth with 13,815 passengers (avg load factor of 88%)

EY = 8% growth with 14,418 passengers (avg load factor of 89%)

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

EY and QR performing well during July and August from EDI.

July:

QR = 12% growth with 14,290 passengers (avg load factor of 91%)

EY = 6% growth with 13,957 passengers (avg load factor of 86%)

August:

QR = 7% growth with 13,815 passengers (avg load factor of 88%)

EY = 8% growth with 14,418 passengers (avg load factor of 89%)

Disappointing that it looks like Etihad will be 5 weekly during the the summer next year despite the fact that it looks like the route has been doing well.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

Disappointing that it looks like Etihad will be 5 weekly during the the summer next year despite the fact that it looks like the route has been doing well.

There is still time yet...

[Homo Simpson]

Load factor is not an indication of how well the route is doing if the passengers are on discounted tickets or promotions or using miles. Not forgetting staff travel too.
Flown on it several times and has never been absolutely full but certainly seems to be popular.

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

There is still time yet...

Yes that's true. Do you have any idea how the U.S. routes performed? It looks like delta won't be bringing back the 767 next summer but that could again change.

[LandingConfig]

EY goes back to daily from August 2017 I believe.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

Yes that's true. Do you have any idea how the U.S. routes performed? It looks like delta won't be bringing back the 767 next summer but that could again change.

July:

ORD (UA) = -2% growth with 8,987 passengers
JFK (AA and DL) = 111% growth with 18,615 passengers
EWR (UA) = -10% growth with 15,554 passengers

August:

ORD (UA) = -5% growth with 8,328 passengers
JFK (AA and DL) = 118% growth with 18,911 passengers
EWR (UA) = -12% growth with 15,242 passengers

The addition of DL has had an affect on the existing US routes, EWR in particular. Not sure as to what degree though as the likes of PHL from GLA also recorded negative growth.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by Homo Simpson

Load factor is not an indication of how well the route is doing if the passengers are on discounted tickets or promotions or using miles. Not forgetting staff travel too.
Flown on it several times and has never been absolutely full but certainly seems to be popular.

Agreed that the load factor doesn't give the complete picture but the growth values are a bit more reliable and it's great to see consistent growth from both QR and EY. They are still relative newcomers to the Scottish market which makes the numbers quite impressive really.

[inOban]

According to the timetable on the EDI website, EY goes back to daily from the clock change in march, but I wouldn't necessarily believe that.

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

July:

ORD (UA) = -2% growth with 8,987 passengers
JFK (AA and DL) = 111% growth with 18,615 passengers
EWR (UA) = -10% growth with 15,554 passengers

August:

ORD (UA) = -5% growth with 8,328 passengers
JFK (AA and DL) = 118% growth with 18,911 passengers
EWR (UA) = -12% growth with 15,242 passengers

The addition of DL has had an affect on the existing US routes, EWR in particular. Not sure as to what degree though as the likes of PHL from GLA also recorded negative growth.

The massive JFK growth definitely makes up for the poorer Chicago and Newark numbers. I wonder if there's any possibility of United using the 767 instead of the double daily 757 next summer.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

The massive JFK growth definitely makes up for the poorer Chicago and Newark numbers. I wonder if there's any possibility of United using the 767 instead of the double daily 757 next summer.

There's a good possibility that they could consolidate onto a widebody.

[nighthawk117]

I doubt they will consolidate on a widebody any time soon. Unless they use a 777, then that will be a drastic cut in seat numbers.

EDI is within range for the 757, so they'll always use 757s there, keeping 767/777s available for markets further into Europe outside of the 757s range.

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by nighthawk117

I doubt they will consolidate on a widebody any time soon. Unless they use a 777, then that will be a drastic cut in seat numbers.

EDI is within range for the 757, so they'll always use 757s there, keeping 767/777s available for markets further into Europe outside of the 757s range.

There was talk that United would be operating 767s all year round on the UK routes, I wonder if there was any substance in those rumours?

[inOban]

With DL also flying this winter, and the lower pound, it will be interesting to see the loadings on the existing a/c, never mind moving to a larger one.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by inOban

With DL also flying this winter, and the lower pound, it will be interesting to see the loadings on the existing a/c, never mind moving to a larger one.

I think the thoughts were around consolidating the twice daily 757 service to a once daily widebody in the summer. The rest of the year would surely remain a single daily 757.