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Old 13th Jun 2014, 15:18
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TGR,

There was a production circa 1988 by Channel Television "A Day In The Flight Of", if ever one gets a copy I'd love it to show the kid(s). It was as Air UK introduced BAe146's on, in particular, the GCI/LHR route (Jets in GCI in those days were a rarity), I was the starring Ops Controller whereas we had to make up nonsensical situations and flight disruptions whilst I had wires up my trouser leg and around my [email protected] etc.

By the time C4 (or whoever) filmed Sky Truckers (Cargo Lion) in 1997 I'd learned my lesson and about the only clip of me in that production is me sitting on a swivel chair, back to front, totally unshaven so much so that my own mother didn't recognise me.

Sure I did some filming for the production, including in many a bar and hostelry in Luxembourg, but they never used it much like they didn't use the footage of the director being medevac'd back to UK having been mown down by a motorcycle on a pavement in Accra

Right, enough of thread drift, back to subject please and a copy of "A Day In The Flight Of" please
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 02:50
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3 Class 747

BA currently have in service a small number of 747 that are still fitted with there old First product. Earlier this week BA announced that they would no longer offer a First product on these aircraft starting from 28OCT14. The aircraft will instead operate in a new 3 class 66J/36W/235Y configuration, with the old First seats being sold as Club World seats at Club World prices. Below is a list of the 747 aircraft in service still fitted with the old first cabin

G-BNLF (Will be WFU SEP14)
G-BNLI (Will be WFU AUG14)
G-BNLJ
G-BNLW (Will be WFU OCT14)
G-BNLX (Will be WFU NOV15)
G-BNLY
G-BNLZ (Will be WFU JAN16)
G-CIVA (To be fitted with new First by mid S15)
G-CIVC (To be fitted with new First by mid S15)
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Old 23rd Jun 2014, 03:13
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W14 LHR Long/Mid Haul Schedule Changes

BA have over the last few weeks made a number of changes to there schedule for the W14 season which comes into effect on the 28OCT14. Below is details of the changes that have been made


Accra - Frequency increased from 10 to 11 x weekly. 747 will continue to operate daily BA081/BA078 rotation. 3 Class 767 will operate 4 x weekly BA079/BA080 rotation.

BA079 LHR 22:20 ACC 05:20 767 x256
BA080 ACC 08:10 LHR 15:15 767 x347

Amman - Frequency will reduce from 11 x weekly to daily

Bangalore - Daily 3 class 777 will continue to operate through W14. 747 operated route W13

Beijing - A 4 class 777 will operate 6 x weekly and a weekly 77W will operate (operates on Day 6 from LHR, Day 7 from PEK). Daily 777 operated W13

Boston - No change to frequency. BA203/BA202 rotation on a Friday will now operate on a Wednesday.

Calgary - 3 Class 787-8 which is being introduced in AUG14 will continue to operate daily during W14.

Cape Town - Usual seasonal frequency increase to 2 x daily

BA043/BA042 - Will be operated by a 747 offering a 3 class product throughout W14.
BA059/BA058 - Will operate a daily 4 class (14F/52J/36W/235Y) 747 with new First

Chengdu - Overall frequency reduced from 5 x weekly during S14 to 3 x weekly using a 787-8 for W14 (A 4 class 777 operated 3 x weekly during W13)

Chennai - Frequency will increase to daily from 6 x weekly with a 3 class 787-8 replacing the current 3 class 777 used to operate the route

Delhi- 2 x Daily 747 service will operate during W14. BA had planned to operate a 3 class 777 on BA257/BA256 rotation during W14

Entebbe - Will operate 4 x weekly using a 3 class 767. Flights operated 3 x weekly W13

BA063 LHR 11:15 EBB 22:40 767 146
BA063 LHR 11:20 EBB 22:45 767 3

BA062 EBB 00:45 LHR 06:50 767 5
BA062 EBB 01:00 LHR 07:05 767 47
BA062 EBB 01:10 LHR 07:15 767 2

Freetown/Monrovia - Will reduce from current 4 x weekly frequency to 3 x weekly from 11OCT14.

Hong Kong - 2 x daily frequency maintained. BA027/BA028 rotation will be operated 4 x weekly by a 77W and 3 x weekly by a 4 class 777. A 77W was used 5 x weekly W13

Las Vegas - BA will no longer offer a First product on this route from 28OCT14 as all flights will be operated by a 747 offering a 3 class product through until at least mid to late S15.

Luanda- Will perate 2 x weekly using a Hi-J config 747. Replacing the current 77W used on the route.

Los Angeles - Will op 2 x daily . With operational aircraft changes on 1 rotation. A daily A380 will continue to operate BA269/BA268 during W14. BA283/BA282 will be operated using the mix of aircraft shown below

28OCT14 to 08FEB15 - 5 x A380's and 2 x 77W's (days 2&4) will operate weekly.
09FEB15 to 25MAR15 - 4 x A380's and 3 x 77W's (days 1,2&4) will operate weekly.

Moscow - There will be a change to the operational aircraft for W14. Flight will be operated 3 x daily using a mix of 2 class midhaul A321's, 4 class 777 and 747 aircraft

BA233 LHR 08:40 DME 16:10 747 x236
BA233 LHR 08:40 DME 16:10 777 236
BA235 LHR 10:15 DME 18:05 321 D
BA237 LHR 21:35 DME 05:25 321 D

BA236 DME 06:50 LHR 07:05 321 D
BA232 DME 17:50 LHR 17:40 747 x236
BA232 DME 17:50 LHR 17:40 777 236
BA234 DME 19:25 LHR 19:35 321 D

Mumbai - 3 of the 7 weekly (Day 167 from LHR, Day 127 from BOM) BA139/BA138 rotations will operates with 3-class 777, instead of 4-class 77W. Overall 11 weekly 77W and 3 weekly 3-class 777's

Philadelphia - BA069/BA068 will be operated daily by a 3-class 767 from 26OCT14, replacing the 787-8 introduced during S14.

Phoenix - BA will no longer offer a First product on this route from 28OCT14 through until mid S15 as all flights will be operated by a 747 offering a 3 class product

Riyadh - Flights will remain daily with a 747 operating 4 x weekly and a 4 class 777 operating 3 x weekly. Was previously operated 6 x weekly by a 747 and weekly by a 4 class 777

Sao Paulo- Will operate 10 x weekly. BA241/BA240 will operate 3 x weekly using a 4 class 777. A 747 will operate BA247/BA246 rotation daily.

Seattle - Remains 10 x weekly. Flights on a Thursday will however drop to daily and flights on a Monday will operate 2 x daily. All flights will be operated by a 4 class 777

Shanghai - Will operate daily with a 77W being used 6 x weekly and a 4 class 777 weekly.

Singapore - BA011/BA012 will be operated 4 x weekly by a 747 and 3 x weekly by a A380 from 28OCT14. The A380 will operate the rotation daily from 09FEB15

Tel Aviv - Frequency reduced from 20 x weekly in W13 to 17 x weekly in W14 (14 weekly in S14). Flights will be operated daily by a 4 class 777 and 10 x weekly by a 2 class Mid Haul A321.

BA165 LHR 08:15 TLV 15:00 321 D
BA167 LHR 16:30 TLV 23:25 321 247
BA163 LHR 22:30 TLV 05:25 777 D

BA162 TLV 07:30 LHR 11:00 777 D
BA166 TLV 10:30 LHR 14:00 321 135
BA164 TLV 16:40 LHR 20:05 321 D

Toronto - Will operate 2 x daily. BA093/BA092 rotation will be operated 6 x weekly using a 77W and weekly using a 4 class 777. BA099/BA098 will be operated using a 787-8.

Vancouver - BA will no longer offer a First product on this route from 28OCT14 as all flights will be operated by a 747 offering a 3 class product. A 3 class 747 is also planned to operate BA085/BA084 rotations through until at least mid S15.

Washington - Will operate 2 x daily throughout W14. A daily A380 will operate BA217/BA216 rotation and a 4 class 777 will operate BA293/BA292 daily.

Further Changes are possible prior to the start of the W14 Schedule in late October
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 10:46
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Question about slots

I've got two questions about slots.

I've noticed that flights BA510 - 524 even numbers only (LHR - MAD direction) are actually operated by IB aircraft. They flights operate with IB codes in the MAD - LHR direction. Is this anything to do with slots holdings by the IAG airlines?

I've also seen that AA have purchased a pair of LHR slots for $31m from Cyprus airlines. The actual number of flights operated by AA has reduced significantly since the tie up with BA (withdrawn from BOS, JFK down to 3x daily from a max of 6x daily, reduced frequencies on DFW route, etc). What has happened to the slots - are they leased to BA? Presumably there is some time of commercial agreement?

On another matter is it just me who finds it strange that AA is undertaking a large campaign to promote its up to 17 flights a day with their BA partner from the LON area to the NYC area when they actually operate, err, three of these a day with their own metal, or again is that part of the joint operating agreement?
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 11:07
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I've got two questions about slots.

I've noticed that flights BA510 - 524 even numbers only (LHR - MAD direction) are actually operated by IB aircraft. They flights operate with IB codes in the MAD - LHR direction. Is this anything to do with slots holdings by the IAG airlines?

I've also seen that AA have purchased a pair of LHR slots for $31m from Cyprus airlines. The actual number of flights operated by AA has reduced significantly since the tie up with BA (withdrawn from BOS, JFK down to 3x daily from a max of 6x daily, reduced frequencies on DFW route, etc). What has happened to the slots - are they leased to BA? Presumably there is some time of commercial agreement?

On another matter is it just me who finds it strange that AA is undertaking a large campaign to promote its up to 17 flights a day with their BA partner from the LON area to the NYC area when they actually operate, err, three of these a day with their own metal, or again is that part of the joint operating agreement?
1. All Madrid- Heathrow- Madrid IB/BA flights are dual coded (Plus LAN connections) and Iberia retain a number of slots in their own name.

2. BA/AA TALC joint venture operations has seen some cross transfers with AA terminating Boston on own metal , yet increasing Miami and Los Angeles. One AA slot pair is currently leased to BA whom are operating an additional daily JFK rotation whilst AA reconfigure a number of 77E frames this season. AA will recover this slot in 2015.

3. As part of the merger with US, AA have to release 2 slot pairs from LHR to allow competition the chance to apply for LHR-PHL routes.The slots come from the joint pool as far as i am aware.

4. All BA/AA and now US services from/to Heathrow - USA are part of the joint venture and are metal neutral.
Both AA and BA can and do market each others flights as if they were there own -rather more than a simple alliance codeshare this is a joint risk shared profit/loss operation and a very deep partnership.

5. The partnership also includes daily AA and US services to and from Manchester and JFK/ORD/PHL which are also marketed by BA.
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 17:01
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The flights operate with IB codes in the MAD - LHR direction.
Flights between LHR and MAD are operated by Iberia aircraft using Iberia callsigns in both directions.

They all have BA codeshare flight numbers too, of course, but the difference is that in the LHR-MAD direction those are in the normal range for BA-operated flights (e.g. IB3171 masquerades as BA520) whereas in the MAD-LHR direction they are in BA's codeshare range (e.g. IB3162 pretends it's BA7054).

I have no idea why the difference.
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 18:21
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The one thing for sure about flights to/from MAD-LHR / codeshare / whose flight number I don't really care the only thing I notice is that the fares are never cheap on this route. Enough said on duopoly!
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Old 28th Jun 2014, 19:19
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But at least you get a "free" drink down the back on BA
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 13:22
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Iberia's LHR-MAD flights have been treated as BA "prime" flights since Iberia moved to Terminal 5.

I assume this is a systems/process issue because everything in Terminal 5 is set-up for BA's operating procedures.
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Old 5th Jul 2014, 07:34
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BA882/883

Anyone any idea why BA have dropped flight's BA882/883 LHR to KBP, we had an email saying the flight is canceled next Tuesday with no explanation as to why, we can either rebook and fly on an earlier flight (not an option as we was flying from MAN the same morning) or cancel. Looking at the BA website it seems to have been canceled for most of the last week too. When we flew a couple of weeks ago the flight was pretty full, I would say at least 80%.

*Mods* If you feel this should be in the spotters section please move it, I do not want the moans complaining again.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 14:20
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LHR-GIG-

Hi, looking forward to another flight with BA. On next Friday mid day flight LHR to GIG then a return flight at a later date. My wife usually orders a Gluten Free meal through ba.com. She now also requires Dairy Free. Do you do option for both Gluten and Dairy free or can you request it? The Ba website only let's you select one of above but not both . Only in WTP this time. Any advise appreciated
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 15:53
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Wouldn't the more obvious course of action be to phone the airline instead of asking on an anonymous Internet forum??
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 16:53
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Since the political unrest in Ukraine the loads have dropped significantly coupled with a chronic pilot shortage maybe you explanation.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 17:35
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Calmcavoc, I did call the airline but they was less than useful and normally PPRuNe can be the ideal place for answers.
queenvic, I take your point of view but the problems are only in the East of Ukraine, the rest of the country is business as usual and my last few flights have all been busy with very few seats left.
Anyway we managed to get on the Monday evening flight from Luton with Wizzair, had to pay more because of having to use the train, but at least we will be back in time for work on Wednesday.
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Old 6th Jul 2014, 18:25
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LHR-GIG-Hi, looking forward to another flight with BA. On next Friday mid day flight LHR to GIG then a return flight at a later date. My wife usually orders a Gluten Free meal through ba.com. She now also requires Dairy Free. Do you do option for both Gluten and Dairy free or can you request it? The Ba website only let's you select one of above but not both . Only in WTP this time. Any advise appreciated
You can only select one or the other. Airlines try their best to cater to most peoples allergens on long haul flights but can't please everyone. I would say choose the gluten free option, (as most likely the only dairy would be the milk jigger or perhaps in the dessert) see what you get served and take some of your own food as back up anyway. Its a long flight so anyone would be mad not to take atleast some of their own snacks anyway.

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Old 6th Jul 2014, 21:57
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EDI-GIG

Calmcavok, I do appreciate your input. Most are anonymous on here but many are on the 'frontline' and are well equipped and helpful enough to give a quick answer.

Cazza_fly . Thank you for your advise. That's what we will go with.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 21:07
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I operated on this flight last week and we only had 10 on the whole plane. The loads have drastically dropped off since all the problems started. Plus the airbus fleet is understaffed at the moment.
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 23:21
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What's this I hear about a possible LBA night stop. Is the LHR shuttle route really doing that well?
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 23:57
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LBIA, that has been rumoured (on galley FM) for a while now. Currently, the rotations on offer are pretty poor for connections. But, if it happens, it wouldn't be until the winter schedule. Don't hold your breath though.
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 19:51
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Probably more the case that the first departure from Heathrow and the last from Leeds are losing so much money.

My daughter caught the last departure from Leeds recently and said there were only about ten on it.

By contrast a few weeks earlier we caught the first departure from Leeds on the Monday and the last return from Heathrow the following Sunday and both were full.
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