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That service was marketed as the 'Scottish Flyer' and operated by Viscounts fitted with heavy duty batteries to enable internal engine starts at each stop. There were so many stops (I cannot remember the exact routing but I think STN was first stop) that it didn't achieve commercial or operational success unfortunately.
That service was marketed as the 'Scottish Flyer' and operated by Viscounts fitted with heavy duty batteries to enable internal engine starts at each stop. There were so many stops (I cannot remember the exact routing but I think STN was first stop) that it didn't achieve commercial or operational success unfortunately.
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Ooops sorry! Regarding the Scottish Flyer I think the route was Southend-Stansted-Luton-East Midlands-Leeds-Teesside-Newcastle-Edinburgh- Aberdeen but not completely sure.
The full route for the Scottish Flyer was Portsmouth-Southend-Luton-East Midlands-Leeds-Teesside-Newcastle-Edinburgh-Aberdeen. It was initially promoted to the press as a BAC111 op (except Portsmouth, obviously) but was flown by Viscounts or 748s. There was also a feeder service from Norwich to EMA. It ran from 20/1/69 until November the same year when it was stopped having lost a shed load of money.
I seem to remember the 1-11 may have launched the route and then the Visounts took over very quickly. I was pretty sure that STN was included in the route, but otherwise those shown by both willy wombat and compton3bravo look familiar.
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IT IS Edinburgh based ?ADS Advance | The Uk Magazine for aviation, defence, security and space industries
Flight times indicate it is likely to be SEN based aircraft.
ADS Advance does not mention its EDI based.
ADS Advance does not mention its EDI based.
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City Aviation Group
Just out of interest does anyone know what the City Aviation Group is? I think that it is something to with the Join! project since Bernard Jacobs is directing it and it also says that it was set-up in October 2012.
City Aviation Group is indeed the vehicle by which it is hoped to launch the JOIN! project. There's perhaps a clue there as to the identity of the core operation as planned. The problem, as ever (especially nowadays), is to get the finance firmly in place and that continues to be what is holding things up at present.
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I got the impression it was the organisation of route networks that was the problem and not the finance, but I suppose you would expect that from a start-up in poor economic conditions. There is nothing on the web about them probably because they want to keep things quiet until an official press release.
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From what I can make out the office is based in Sweden and I doubt they would consider LCY especially since all along they have wanted SEN. For a start-up airline SEN is ideal with very little competition and being cheap to operate from.
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For a start-up airline SEN is ideal with very little competition and being cheap to operate from.
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Stansted would probably reduce their rates or give deals to new airlines to entice them in, but despite this I still rekon they would be more expensive than SEN. As for our catchment area, there are no real issues here as although we've got sea and the river on two sides, you've got most of south Essex (pop. 600,000) and parts of East London.
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Stansted would not have to be as cheap as Southend in order for it to be affected. It's all about value, not the actual amount the airport charges.
Despite Gatwick being no cheaper than Stansted, many airlines have still moved because Gatwick is basically better value for money as it has more worldwide connections, more globally recognised, better rail access to London etc.
If MAG can add value to Stansted, which is exactly what they aim to do in essence, whether it be reducing costs, improving passenger experience, agreeing deals with more retail brands, offering attractive deals to airlines etc. then Stansted increases it's value, making it more attractive to airlines.
This is potentially dangerous for Southend in the sense that they will have an emerging competitior, adding value, ultimately growing in size which is already handling 20x as many passengers anyway which also overlaps into virtually the whole of Southend's catchment area. The people of East London and South Essex, not to mention the whole of East Anglia and the Midlands, are all included in Stansted's catchment area. Even for start-up carriers, the value is vital.
Despite Gatwick being no cheaper than Stansted, many airlines have still moved because Gatwick is basically better value for money as it has more worldwide connections, more globally recognised, better rail access to London etc.
If MAG can add value to Stansted, which is exactly what they aim to do in essence, whether it be reducing costs, improving passenger experience, agreeing deals with more retail brands, offering attractive deals to airlines etc. then Stansted increases it's value, making it more attractive to airlines.
This is potentially dangerous for Southend in the sense that they will have an emerging competitior, adding value, ultimately growing in size which is already handling 20x as many passengers anyway which also overlaps into virtually the whole of Southend's catchment area. The people of East London and South Essex, not to mention the whole of East Anglia and the Midlands, are all included in Stansted's catchment area. Even for start-up carriers, the value is vital.
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Southend v Stansted
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Maybe people in the East Midlands would travel to STN. I wouldn't be so sure about the rest of the Midlands. I live north of Birmingham and have only ever flown from STN once the journey there is a nightmare!!!!!
STN is not easy to get to from the West Midlands the A14 is awful.
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the whole of...... the Midlands
STN is not easy to get to from the West Midlands the A14 is awful.
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You live north of Birmingham and that even in my opinion is pushing Stansted's catchment area being on the the far side of the Midlands. The fact is, no matter how horrible you find it, something in the past had attracted you to travel all that way to Stansted when you have Birmingham, East Midlands, Manchester, Luton and Liverpool all closer to North Birmingham.
We have flown from Stansted on 6 return journeys since 2005. A large number of us in Leicestershire have and do use Stansted. I doubt if many of us even know that EasyJet has a base at Southend. In order to get a cheaper flight, Stansted is a more than realistic option for us, but Southend would never even come into most people's mind. Why? Because the catchment area is well out of our reach! It's the best part of an hour further away from anybody living west, northwest or north of Stansted, which is quite a large number of us!
We have flown from Stansted on 6 return journeys since 2005. A large number of us in Leicestershire have and do use Stansted. I doubt if many of us even know that EasyJet has a base at Southend. In order to get a cheaper flight, Stansted is a more than realistic option for us, but Southend would never even come into most people's mind. Why? Because the catchment area is well out of our reach! It's the best part of an hour further away from anybody living west, northwest or north of Stansted, which is quite a large number of us!
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