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I think you might be right about SEN being seen as a passenger gnerator, FRatSTN. However, there's no reason why that should be the case in the longer term. As numerous discussions on this and other forums have shown, SEN is only a few minutes further away from central London than STN so that shouldn't be too much of an issue. Maybe it's just that Southend sounds like a standalone town rather than LGW and LHR which sound like London airports (would London Crawley work as well...?) and Stansted which is just an airport near London. Of course, Luton is a standalone town too but it is deeply set within the nation's consciousness as an airport near London. Maybe it will just take time and word of mouth (always the best marketing tool) for Southend Airport to be perceived as London Southend Airport.....
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72 out and 40 back isn't too bad actually on the inaugural EDI. It's a good indicator of the inbound and outbound demand. It gives a combined load of 112 once a few rotations have been operated if numbrrs temain consistent plus you would hope numbers would pick up a bit as word gets around.
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once again SEN comes to the rescue of LCY,couple of emb 170 diverted due to high winds at LCY,dont know why airlines that use LCY cant see that rather than keep diverting to SEN it would be better and more cost efective for them to use SEN
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once again SEN comes to the rescue of LCY,couple of emb 170 diverted due to high winds at LCY,dont know why airlines that use LCY cant see that rather than keep diverting to SEN it would be better and more cost efective for them to use SEN
Two very different airports with two different markets.
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I know that SEN would like to entice across a couple of airlines that currently use LCY but, as LTNman says, the attractions of LCY cannot be directly matched by SEN or any other LON airport.
The cost savings in using SEN would need to be extremely significant and only if their cost of using LCY was currently making a route uneconomic would a move to SEN make sense. If it came down to either dropping a route or transferring it to SEN they might choose the latter option. There may, of course, be one or two cases where that does apply. No doubt SEN will be making their case strongly at this month's Routes Europe event.
The cost savings in using SEN would need to be extremely significant and only if their cost of using LCY was currently making a route uneconomic would a move to SEN make sense. If it came down to either dropping a route or transferring it to SEN they might choose the latter option. There may, of course, be one or two cases where that does apply. No doubt SEN will be making their case strongly at this month's Routes Europe event.
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Aer Lingus Regional Expansion
Aer Arann/Aer Lingus Regional intend to add a 4th daily Dublin rotation to take advantage of the 'popular' onward connections to the USA.
Article here: Aer Lingus Regional plans Southend expansion
Article here: Aer Lingus Regional plans Southend expansion
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Anyone know the price of a day return train ticket to Liverpool street from Southend??
Also good to hear about the extra Aer Lingus Regional flight! Its will be handy for day trips!
Also good to hear about the extra Aer Lingus Regional flight! Its will be handy for day trips!
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LTN Man, the fare you quote is the full price 'anytime' day return. Off peak and weekend tickets start from a more reasonable £15 return, even cheaper in a 'groupsave' if 3 or more travel together.
The equivalent fares from STN are £32.80 (anytime) and £25 for the cheapest.
The equivalent fares from STN are £32.80 (anytime) and £25 for the cheapest.
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I got dropped off at London Liverpool Street the other morning - I was en route to Luton Airport. £26-90 for a day return from Liv St. and the bus service at Luton Airport Parkway was a total shambles!!! Reminded me why I am not to keen on Luton. Still - at least there is a proper rail service to Luton in the early morning - WAKE UP GREATER ANGLIA!!!! EARLIER TRAINS FROM LONDON TO SOUTHEND PLEASE!!!
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Did you complain to the people at Luton Parkway about ““the total shambles““ you encountered - if not why not. If you don“t complain you and tell them what you think it will not improve.
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Whether it is Greater Anglia for Southend or First Capital Connect for Luton I can't help but feel complaints fall on deaf ears and it won't make the slightest bit of difference.
I would think that the morning and late night train service or should I say the lack of a train service at Southend is having an impact on passenger numbers and might well have an impact on airlines thinking about using Southend. This issue really needs to be fixed.
I would think that the morning and late night train service or should I say the lack of a train service at Southend is having an impact on passenger numbers and might well have an impact on airlines thinking about using Southend. This issue really needs to be fixed.
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I agree entirely that the current lack of early and late trains "really needs to be fixed", but I'm not aware of any progress on the issue.
When comparing prices from SEN for 06:30 holiday departures this summer with those from LTN for example, there doesn't seem to be any negative impact on yield as a result of the lack of an early train. I can't help but feel though that the BFS route has suffered for that reason and it simply hasn't worked as a double-daily service. That may change this summer with it operating once daily with 0715 departures only on M, Tu & Sa with evening departures on all other days. Load factors on this revised schedule will be interesting to see. Aer Lingus Regional have, of course, revised their schedule from DUB to give a first SEN departure at 09:15 and pax numbers seem to increasing.
If EZY/SEN thought the train situation was a serious problem overall surely they would have at least trialled a coach running, say, from Victoria via Liverpool Street and one or two other pick-up points to arrive SEN at around 05:30.
I agree entirely that the current lack of early and late trains "really needs to be fixed", but I'm not aware of any progress on the issue.
When comparing prices from SEN for 06:30 holiday departures this summer with those from LTN for example, there doesn't seem to be any negative impact on yield as a result of the lack of an early train. I can't help but feel though that the BFS route has suffered for that reason and it simply hasn't worked as a double-daily service. That may change this summer with it operating once daily with 0715 departures only on M, Tu & Sa with evening departures on all other days. Load factors on this revised schedule will be interesting to see. Aer Lingus Regional have, of course, revised their schedule from DUB to give a first SEN departure at 09:15 and pax numbers seem to increasing.
If EZY/SEN thought the train situation was a serious problem overall surely they would have at least trialled a coach running, say, from Victoria via Liverpool Street and one or two other pick-up points to arrive SEN at around 05:30.
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Wondering what critical mass is required for a coach operator to start a coach service from SEN to Stratford or Liverpool Street. Access wise, all three London area airports focusing on LCC traffic are extremely expensive to get to when having to use the rail service. I have long given up on the Stansted Express and usually take the coach to Stratford and connect from there.
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With the Champions League final only 2 weeks away and slots and aircraft parking in short supply around London I would expect Southend to do really well but will it?
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With the Champions League final only 2 weeks away and slots and aircraft parking in short supply around London I would expect Southend to do really well but will it?
Aer Arann at SEN
There's an interesting item within the Stobart Group annual report published this morning.
When talking about their investment in RE it says:
"Our next phase is to use the airline to start new routes out of LSA (SEN) with focus on Spring 2014"
Possible destinations.......? Discuss.
When talking about their investment in RE it says:
"Our next phase is to use the airline to start new routes out of LSA (SEN) with focus on Spring 2014"
Possible destinations.......? Discuss.