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SEN obviously does gain extra revenue from diversions, but this would be a minor element of an airport's overall income. I'm sure they enjoy diverted pax sampling the service that SEN can offer as an alternative.
This only applies if full passenger handling is required as fuel & go earn little in the way of revenue unless they require de-icing.
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It all depends whether or not they operate scheduled flights from there on a day to day basis. Even if they did held some kind of diversionary contract with SEN it would still be more than the normal handling fees due to extra workload involved at short notice.
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Just want to add that when Luton got planning permission for its new terminal it was stated that the terminal had a capacity for 5 million passengers. It turned out that each passenger was given a generous amount of space. That same terminal has handled over 10 million passengers.
Is Southend’s 2 million limit the true physical limit or the claimed limit to keep the locals happy when planning permission was sort?
Is Southend’s 2 million limit the true physical limit or the claimed limit to keep the locals happy when planning permission was sort?
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From having used the existing terminal a number of times and looking at the plans for the extension now under construction, I would say it has the 'feel' of a 2mppa terminal. No doubt more could be squeezed through but I wonder if Stobarts may be happy to settle for 2mppa for reasons that I've stated previously on here.
From having used the existing terminal a number of times and looking at the plans for the extension now under construction, I would say it has the 'feel' of a 2mppa terminal. No doubt more could be squeezed through but I wonder if Stobarts may be happy to settle for 2mppa for reasons that I've stated previously on here.
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Aer Lingus Regional, operated by Aer Arann is adding extra seats to flights from London Southend to Dublin Airport on 9, 11 and 12 February 2013 to allow England rugby fans to go and cheer on their team.
The extra seats are being added to meet the demand of rugby supporters flying to and from Dublin for the England versus Ireland RBS 6 Nations game on Sunday 10 February.
The extra seats are being added to meet the demand of rugby supporters flying to and from Dublin for the England versus Ireland RBS 6 Nations game on Sunday 10 February.
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Stobart must have had their fingers burnt with unpaid bills now that OTL have gone under.
Maybe they will learn a valuable lesson that accepting airlines and new routes from airlines that are struggling is not always a good thing.
Also does Stobart provide the fuel at Southend?
Maybe they will learn a valuable lesson that accepting airlines and new routes from airlines that are struggling is not always a good thing.
Also does Stobart provide the fuel at Southend?
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PintR - suppose you had been MD of a rather small Luton airport in 1994-95. You are pproached by an unknown startup company run by someone who knows only about shipping. The company does not have its own AOC, and has been rejected by more than 1 other London airport. It wants to operate flights to Scotland with a business model that breaks much of perceived wisdom as to how a profitable airline should be run.
What would you have said ?
What would you have said ?
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"Maybe they will learn a valuable lesson that accepting airlines and new routes from airlines that are struggling is not always a good thing"
Lets be honest SEN didn't exaclty want to accept their operations when OLT announced the two routes. SEN wanted a March 13 start not a rushed October 12 start. They never really recognised their existance with no advertising, and very little mention of it on their website. I think SEN actually did the right thing. But of course you are right no airport wants struggling airlines.
"Maybe they will learn a valuable lesson that accepting airlines and new routes from airlines that are struggling is not always a good thing"
Lets be honest SEN didn't exaclty want to accept their operations when OLT announced the two routes. SEN wanted a March 13 start not a rushed October 12 start. They never really recognised their existance with no advertising, and very little mention of it on their website. I think SEN actually did the right thing. But of course you are right no airport wants struggling airlines.
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davidjohnson6 I take your point, which you make very well. 
I hope this hasn't cost Southend too much money but who does supply the fuel at Southend?
I hope this hasn't cost Southend too much money but who does supply the fuel at Southend?
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I assume that SEN supply the fuel themselves but don't know for sure. I was told that OLT didn't try to negotiate much in the way of discounts at SEN, so perhaps they didn't get much of a credit line either. Considering the strength of the company behind OLT (Panta Holdings), I don't think SEN can be criticised for agreeing to their commencing services. They weren't exactly a start-up were they, but an existing carrier that was changing its business model. Always sad to see the demise of any airline in my book.
The following is copied from SEN’s Conditions of Use as published on their website:
3.4 Where an aircraft Operator has not used the Airport in the previous 12 months (as calculated from the date that the Operator proposes to commence operations), the Managing Director, or his nominated deputy of L.S.A.C.L. may at his discretion, require a deposit to be lodged with L.S.A.C.L. before Flights by that Operator commence. Any such deposit shall be paid to L.S.A.C.L.and shall be in such a sum as the Managing Director or his nominated deputy shall consider to be equivalent to the anticipated charges that the aircraft Operator shall incur (based on the anticipated number and type of Flight planned) for 3 months of operations by that Operator. Such deposit or the balance then remaining shall be refunded to the operator when 12 months of service have been completed in accordance with these Conditions of Use or when the Operator ceases to operate any Flights from the Airport (whichever shall first occur) subject to the right of L.S.A.C.L. (which is hereby reserved) to set off against any such deposit any appropriate charges that have not been settled in accordance with the above provisions.
Can anyone say if this deposit requirement for a new operator is a standard condition applied by airports ? And I wonder how discretion was exercised in the case of OLT.
3.4 Where an aircraft Operator has not used the Airport in the previous 12 months (as calculated from the date that the Operator proposes to commence operations), the Managing Director, or his nominated deputy of L.S.A.C.L. may at his discretion, require a deposit to be lodged with L.S.A.C.L. before Flights by that Operator commence. Any such deposit shall be paid to L.S.A.C.L.and shall be in such a sum as the Managing Director or his nominated deputy shall consider to be equivalent to the anticipated charges that the aircraft Operator shall incur (based on the anticipated number and type of Flight planned) for 3 months of operations by that Operator. Such deposit or the balance then remaining shall be refunded to the operator when 12 months of service have been completed in accordance with these Conditions of Use or when the Operator ceases to operate any Flights from the Airport (whichever shall first occur) subject to the right of L.S.A.C.L. (which is hereby reserved) to set off against any such deposit any appropriate charges that have not been settled in accordance with the above provisions.
Can anyone say if this deposit requirement for a new operator is a standard condition applied by airports ? And I wonder how discretion was exercised in the case of OLT.
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I would not have thought Southend or many airports come to that would be laying down conditions that might send an airline to a competitor. At least there were not that many flights so maybe Stobart's fingers were only singed.
New easyJet Route
easyJet have today announced a daily (ex Saturday) SEN-EDI service, on sale immediately and commencing 2nd May. Departure SEN is 13:30. A useful addition to the SEN easyJet network.
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That's good. Edinburgh is a sensible destination with all its obvious attractions, plus any corporate business with RBS (which is situated at the end of the runway at SEN, after all...).
The steelwork for the terminal extension is now nearly completed so it looks to be on schedule. Plans have recently been submitted to increase still further the size of the departure and arrivals halls plus baggage reclaim by some 800 sq m and these will be incorporated into the build.
The total floor area will then be nearly 11,000 sq m compared to the 3,640 sq m of the existing terminal. The arrivals area will then be nearly four times larger than that provided at present. There will be 12 check-in desks and six departure gates, while the retail 'offering' will also be increased. All in all this should provide a much better balanced facility to cater comfortably for its anticipated throughput. The ten parking stands fronting the terminal will all be served by covered walkways.
The total floor area will then be nearly 11,000 sq m compared to the 3,640 sq m of the existing terminal. The arrivals area will then be nearly four times larger than that provided at present. There will be 12 check-in desks and six departure gates, while the retail 'offering' will also be increased. All in all this should provide a much better balanced facility to cater comfortably for its anticipated throughput. The ten parking stands fronting the terminal will all be served by covered walkways.