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Old 12th Mar 2013, 21:57
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Sounds like a good deal and some of the early aircraft need to be moved on profitably interesting that this implies they are not taking the MAX, might come back to haunt them
Sales and Marketing target is for the Max to be available in 2017..........................not sure Manufacturing and Engineering have that as their target or signed up to that one.

I can only give A380, B787, A350 as examples of stuff behind schedule.

I reckon Max deliveries will be closer to 2020 that 2017 and at least with NG you buying a proven product.
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 22:13
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Is the general consensus that the majority of these will be replacing older 738's?
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 11:51
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What is the age profile of the current fleet? I believe the average age of the fleet is something like 5 years, but how many are say older the 10 year, and old are the oldest?

In terms of the second hand market, what age is the optimal selling time?
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 12:16
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I heard that the average age of the fleet is more like 3.5 years
Just about right to start replacing when the 'first MOT is due' or 'the warranty runs out'
Any why buy a new model at premium prices when you can let someone else sort out the snags (batteries anyone??) and also when the initial demand, and price leverage, has dropped off.
Stick with what you've got for a bit longer.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 14:14
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Jethro's site has EI-DAC as the oldest 738 in the fleet at just over 10 years old (del 3/12/02). I've not got time to work out the proper average age, but given that they have had a similar number delivered each year since then I guess that would make 5 years a reasonable estimate.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 15:08
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Average fleet age is 4.6 years old as of 03/02/13.

Ryanair Fleet Details and History - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

I read that the new aircraft would be delivered between 2015 and 2017. That's a fairly short period for 200 brand new aircraft to join the fleet and with the oldest aircraft leaving as well, the average fleet age will probably fall quite quickly during this time.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 16:35
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The age of an aircraft is irrelevant, look at Jet2, its what the management want to do with it and how the crew carry out that task is what really matters. In both these respects Ryanair fails and brand new shiny Boeings are not going to make me fly with them again any time soon.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 17:03
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Nobody was saying that age was relevant or that newer is better etc. I agree, Jet2's planes are in great condition considering their age. FR however will always want brand new aircraft so they can call themeselves the greenest airline with the newest and cleanest fleet etc.

In both these respects Ryanair fails
Not so sure what you mean by that. There's nothing wrong with FR planes. Yes they maximise their usage with nothing more than a quick litter check between flights but they are reliable and well looked after. Remember that FR have very big maintainance bases in Prestwick and Stansted so aircraft are regularly maintained.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 17:20
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A Ryanair aircraft arrived at bournemouth today to commence flights tomorrow after a long winter without any flights .
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 17:53
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quick litter check between flights
Im not a huge fan of Ryanair, but a security check must be done before the 1st flight, before landing, during each turnaround, and at the end of the duty. Which is more than just a litter check.


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Im not a huge fan of Ryanair, but a security check must be done before the 1st flight, before landing, during each turnaround, and at the end of the duty. Which is more than just a litter check.
Well that further strengthens my point, I hadn't thought of that so thank you.
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 19:12
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Is it a function of leased aircraft vs purchased aircraft?
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Old 13th Mar 2013, 19:46
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To explain my remarks about Ryanair failures. Management treat its staff and passengers with disdain. Its almost as if they don't want passengers. Some crews on FR flights have been on seem to carry the same mindset and seem determined to make the "onboard experience" as unpleasant as possible. I don't think I'm alone in these thoughts.
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Given Ryanair are allowing Irish Head of Govt do a photo shoot with President Obama on St Patrick's day then you can bet a couple of things......

1.) Obama is going to be giving some goodies to Ireland for a nice photo opportunity on a huge trade deal he had nothing to do with. It will go down well in Chicago as Boeing HO there and in Seattle where its made.

2.) Irish Prime Minster is going to giving some big goodies to Ryanair and MO'L negotiates well, just ask Boeing.

No reason why a company would allow politicians into a photo opportunity on a business deal unless there is a big payback.

EU shut the door on any chance of Airbus getting a deal.

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Old 13th Mar 2013, 20:18
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Erm you don't seriously think that airbus was ever in the picture do you? Nor would they be interested in doing the types of deal that MOL was seeking. It was a one horse race and good luck to them.
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'Management treat its staff and passengers with disdain. Its almost as if they don't want passengers.'

I have traveled with Ryanair a dozen times this year as a passenger and can't recall on any of those occasions being 'treated with disdain'.

Where do you get this stuff from?
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I've never experienced it either, in fact I was on a flight earlier this week where the captain gave a very humorous and lively welcome that made pretty much everyone on the plane laugh.
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I have traveled with Ryanair a dozen times this year as a passenger and can't recall on any of those occasions being 'treated with disdain'.

Where do you get this stuff from?
Daily Mail
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' Some crews on FR flights have been on seem to carry the same mindset and seem determined to make the "onboard experience" as unpleasant as possible. '

Loads of flights - never had /noted any problems with FR crew members. I say we disregard Daftydil - most likely a member of the anti-Ryanair gang - and might be seen protesting and chained to one of the goal posts at Cardiff's Millenium Stadium next Saturday !

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 10:37
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I've got to say...I personally find Ryanair crew some of the nicest out there in Europe. All very young, quite enthusiastic etc. Big change from about 5 years ago I would say.
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