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Old 24th Feb 2013, 11:06
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Just stick "ryanair heavy landings" in the search box. This really has been done to death on here.

On the other hand, if the Daily Mail has picked it up as a problem what do the experts know?....
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 11:15
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Where is the Ryanair thread gone?!

Where is the Ryanair thread that was started here about 30 min. Ago?!

I truly hope that Pprune is NOT deleting any thread regarding FR ops., incidents or accidents.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 11:26
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I am not a RYR fanboy in any way, and there is a long list of issues about RYR that deserve to be discussed, but I don't think "hard landings" one of them. A landing can be perceived as "soft" if the runway is wet (or otherwise contaminated), and the wheels spin up more slowly. Similarly, hydroplaning could be felt as a very "smooth landing" (until the aircraft skids off the runway that is ). How "soft" or "hard" the landing is, is highly subjective, and while pilots will try take passengers subjective experience into account whenever possible, there are many important variables that need be considered to achieve a safe and successful landing. Sometimes, conditions call for a firm landing - well within the design limits of the aircraft (even though that may be marginally outside a particular toddlers subjective comfort zone). In summary, I think you're right, accusing RYR of "hard landings" is a non-issue.

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 07:41
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Ryanair unauthorised 180 degree turn after landing

Oh dear!

'Ryanair, you just screwed everything': What Dublin Airport flight controller told airline after plane forced jets to abort landing | Mail Online

Begs the question as to why they used so much runway and then "braked hard" (on a long runway) in the first place?!

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 07:44
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That link doesn't work.
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 07:46
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Whoops - finger trouble , try again.
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 08:01
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Runway chart here. What was wrong with using the last exit at the runway end? Was it Notam'd as unavailable that day?

http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Publ...DW_24-1_en.pdf
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 09:27
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So the Daily Fail has suddenly become credible now........bit of double standards me thinks !!
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 09:43
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How did they miss the two (!) high speed exits at the last quarter of a 2637m runway?!
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 09:47
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Are you suggesting that as it appeared in the Daily Mail this major display of poor airmanship didn't happen then ?
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 09:51
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Bit weird of the controller as well not to allow them to vacate E7. There are gates(generally speaking) that require a sharper turn to park.

Anyway I imagine they had briefed for one of the highspeed exits, maybe too focussed?

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 10:06
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If you miss the last rapid exit taxiway (we've all done it!) you "keep the speed up and vacate at the end" Especially important if you've braked heavily and only just missed it! Good airmanship that should be covered in basic line training. Very poor judgement shown by the Capt here ......

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 10:08
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Why wouldn't they be able to exit E7 after the backtrack? More than enough space to turn, Easiest had been to taxi to the end and exit there unless WIP on B7.

To be fair here, I do not have an extremely high regard of Dublin ATC, especially not tower and ground. terrible accents, complicated clearances and sometimes unclear instructions.

Do not jump to conclusions against FR here.
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 10:09
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Maybe they landed longer/faster than briefed or expected? Maybe in a hurry? Not accusing anyone of anything, just another possibility...
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 10:25
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On the face of it a very surprising manoeuvre, one has to wonder what the skipper was thinking of but not at all impressed with the standard and content (ie professionalism) of RT as published here - "one of your company a/c has performed a 180 and really screwed things up" is surely a complete no-no? Very poor form regardless of the provocation.
And whats all this about a runway inspection? Was one due anyway or is there a connection with the incident? That's not at all clear.

Yep, the thought police have binned this tread to where no one will ever find it. I so love this spineless cowering pprune these days. not. Does Ryanair have some control over this forum or something? Are they part-owners perhaps - because they're acting like it.

edit. No, just managed to make the taxi chart link above work. An utterly inexplicable manoeuvre. Totally baffling.

And just for the record, a well reported incident from the DM!!!

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 13:54
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(a) does an unauthorised 180 (b) asks what happened (c) expressed frustration. All three can expect a visit from the authorities but not because of the Irish Daily Mail.
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According to the Aerodrome Chart, 'Taxiway E6 is the only rapid exit taxiway at Dublin airport.' Was this a factor?
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 19:17
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What's the big deal about this 180? Ryanair again?

Landings aborted as plane u-turns on runway

An investigation is underway after a Ryanair jet performed a u-turn on a runway that put it in the path of other planes about to land.
According to the Ireland’s Mail on Sunday newspaper, a Ryanair plane arriving in Dublin from London Stansted on February 15 missed its exit, made a 180-degree turn and then taxied back the way it had come.
Other flights had to abort their landings or fly in a holding pattern until the runway was officially cleared.
The paper claims audio from the air traffic control tower reveals pilots say they had needed to “brake hard” on landing.
The flight crew had been instructed to vacate the runway – a direction that was acknowledged, before the jet made a u-turn.
A shocked controller asks: “227, have you made a 180?” to which the response was “affirm”.
The controller immediately warned an incoming Aer Lingus flight to “go around”.
After the incident, another Ryanair pilot in the airspace at the time asked the control tower: “What was wrong with the runway?”
He was told: “Well what happened was one of your company aircraft landed on runway 28, appeared to be going to the very end of the runway and just before they got to Bravo 7 [a runway exit], they made a 180 degree turn which, eh, just screwed everything.”
The Irish Aviation Authority is investigating the incident.
“There were other aircraft on approach to land on this runway, which were being monitored by air traffic control and as the other aircraft was still on the runway these aircraft were instructed to perform a missed approach,” a statement reads.
The runway had to be inspected before operations could resume.
Ryanair says it is cooperating with the enquiry.
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 08:51
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According german newspapers:

BRE-DUB will be restarted after years with 3/7 this summer.

Source: Ryanair wächst weiter - Bremen Wirtschaft - WESER-KURIER
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 10:46
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Aldente, may I ask if there any chance that you could post a link to the aerodrome chart at Cork, please? I have tried other links before and I could never open the link for one reason or another. As you can guess Cork is not that big and I know the airfield pretty well anyway but, still, I should like to have a copy with me anyway.

Thanks very much and kind regards from Cork.
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