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I tend to agree with Bagso. You may see 9W flight codes on the board, but the flying would be Etihad
Jet Airways eyes global footprint via Abu Dhabi - The Times of India
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Well, the ToI article is written of Saurabh Sinha, not Mr. Nikos Kardassis. There is also a second hurdle, and that is the bilateral flying rights between India and UAE now set to 13,000 passengers per week. Air India and some parts of the Indian Government seems to dislike the proposal to increase this to 53,000 according to this article:
Jet-Etihad deal: Bilateral flying rights between India-UAE will hurt industry, other airlines - The Economic Times
Jet-Etihad deal: Bilateral flying rights between India-UAE will hurt industry, other airlines - The Economic Times
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Air India and some parts of the Indian Government seems to dislike the
proposal to increase this to 53,000
proposal to increase this to 53,000
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Im not sure I would be too chuffed if I had booked EITHAD and ended up on JET.
The standard of service on ETIHAD is impeccable, any level of service offered by JET would have to match this.
The standard of service on ETIHAD is impeccable, any level of service offered by JET would have to match this.
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Bagso, there are a number such let-downs, especially within alliances. As an example, I flew to Nice in October and involved were three Star Alliance airlines - Swiss, Lufthansa and SAS. One could easily compare this trip as moving from heaven to hell - in the order given above.
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Great news re levels of service then !
JET were certainly interested in a MAN service unless we were just a makeweight in negotiations to lever rates down at BRU.
Now they are in bed with ETIHAD it could be good news, although I cannot see a 3rd ETIHAD service being 2/3 years.
Most flights appear to be booked out solid and with rumours of EK going 4 daily I doubt they would want to fall further behind ?
JET were certainly interested in a MAN service unless we were just a makeweight in negotiations to lever rates down at BRU.
Now they are in bed with ETIHAD it could be good news, although I cannot see a 3rd ETIHAD service being 2/3 years.
Most flights appear to be booked out solid and with rumours of EK going 4 daily I doubt they would want to fall further behind ?
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Anyone got more info regarding the Small Planet aircraft?
Wed: LCA 1100 1800 1900 2215 LLP213/4
Thu: PVK 0800 1340 1430 1625 LLP247/8
Fri: CFU 0715 1255 1345 1455 LLP228/9
There's also a flight to KGS on Thursdays but that's operated by the LGW based aircraft. So, are there any other flights? Your help will be highly appreciated!
Wed: LCA 1100 1800 1900 2215 LLP213/4
Thu: PVK 0800 1340 1430 1625 LLP247/8
Fri: CFU 0715 1255 1345 1455 LLP228/9
There's also a flight to KGS on Thursdays but that's operated by the LGW based aircraft. So, are there any other flights? Your help will be highly appreciated!
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Jet Airways/Etihad
I cannot find a public link to verify this just yet, but, it says the Etihad flights to Manchester will initially have a Jet Airways codeshare, and are looking to start MAN-BOM via AUH on Jet metal in 'early 2014'.
Hopefully something more detailed will come out once the dust settles from the purchase.
Hopefully something more detailed will come out once the dust settles from the purchase.
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Virgin axe MAN-Las Vegas this winter ?
From a route update site today quoting Virgin have cancelled their twice weekly Lasd Vegas service this winter, although may be subject to updates.
"Manchester – Las Vegas 2 weekly service appears to be cancelled, as this route is not appearing in the GDS. However, further changes is likely"
Nigel
"Manchester – Las Vegas 2 weekly service appears to be cancelled, as this route is not appearing in the GDS. However, further changes is likely"
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Nigel - Re: VS LAS service. It's going seasonal apparently. Leisure fleet size is being reduced, things have got to give. Whether it really reappears next summer is debatable.....
Re: Etihad / Jet. In my recent experience, the route could do with some form of additional capacity. Last 2 legs, first flight 95% full, second flight 100% full throughout and there were a number of very unhappy involuntary offloads at checkin at AUH - not a common sight on a ME carrier who don't seem to me to overbook as aggressively as the US carriers and can usually find sufficient voluntary offloads when they need to.
Whether the route gets an equipment upgrade or an additional frequency in the future is an interesting question. Linked to this is whether Etihad would want to put an F equipped aircraft on the route in the future. Their A333's and A345's would actually be a cut in capacity due to configuration, the A346 does not provide much of a boost, but the 2 class B773ER would be a big hike in capacity. Interesting dilemma for them - maybe a frequency increase operated by Jet would be handy??
Re: Etihad / Jet. In my recent experience, the route could do with some form of additional capacity. Last 2 legs, first flight 95% full, second flight 100% full throughout and there were a number of very unhappy involuntary offloads at checkin at AUH - not a common sight on a ME carrier who don't seem to me to overbook as aggressively as the US carriers and can usually find sufficient voluntary offloads when they need to.
Whether the route gets an equipment upgrade or an additional frequency in the future is an interesting question. Linked to this is whether Etihad would want to put an F equipped aircraft on the route in the future. Their A333's and A345's would actually be a cut in capacity due to configuration, the A346 does not provide much of a boost, but the 2 class B773ER would be a big hike in capacity. Interesting dilemma for them - maybe a frequency increase operated by Jet would be handy??
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Re VS MAN-LAS
...its shambolic anyway as was being promoted as ;
check in Man-LHR
Coach with scenic views of M25 to LGW
then re-checkin LGW-LAS
It was a service doing really well until some idiot with Virgin presumably thought.
"hey why don't we funnel pax into the South East on our shiny new shuttle ".
Beardie's advisers have completly B******D up a well run service that did have 82% load factors !
...its shambolic anyway as was being promoted as ;
check in Man-LHR
Coach with scenic views of M25 to LGW
then re-checkin LGW-LAS
It was a service doing really well until some idiot with Virgin presumably thought.
"hey why don't we funnel pax into the South East on our shiny new shuttle ".
Beardie's advisers have completly B******D up a well run service that did have 82% load factors !
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GER74.
Thanks for the update, perhaps it could go to a 77W if they have any free, and as you say an A380 in the future,
Suppose it depends if Qatar aim there A380 at high yield routes , or follow Emirates in using them as high capacity mode in the UK.
BAGSO.
Shocking if VS are busing from MAN to LGW as a passenger Id be furious !
Nigel
Thanks for the update, perhaps it could go to a 77W if they have any free, and as you say an A380 in the future,
Suppose it depends if Qatar aim there A380 at high yield routes , or follow Emirates in using them as high capacity mode in the UK.
BAGSO.
Shocking if VS are busing from MAN to LGW as a passenger Id be furious !
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Hi Nigel
Not sure they are fully promoting the excitement of the
"M25 scenic tour element" of the trip
I suspect most pax have not got a clue, especially those who are repeats who assume it's non-stopper !
BUT if you look at the major booking engines eg Amadeus etc and put in Manchester-Las Vegas you will see the two stops 1st leg terminates at LHR, second leg starts at LGW
MAN-LHR
LGW-LAS.
I would love to know how travel agents will handle this when pax discover what there ticket actually entails.......
Not sure where this sits with Beardies green credentials, but hey no point in doing one direct flight when you can do 2 and throw in a 40 mile bus ride for good measure !
PS wonder what they do if the M25 is clogged up ?
Not sure they are fully promoting the excitement of the
"M25 scenic tour element" of the trip
I suspect most pax have not got a clue, especially those who are repeats who assume it's non-stopper !
BUT if you look at the major booking engines eg Amadeus etc and put in Manchester-Las Vegas you will see the two stops 1st leg terminates at LHR, second leg starts at LGW
MAN-LHR
LGW-LAS.
I would love to know how travel agents will handle this when pax discover what there ticket actually entails.......
Not sure where this sits with Beardies green credentials, but hey no point in doing one direct flight when you can do 2 and throw in a 40 mile bus ride for good measure !
PS wonder what they do if the M25 is clogged up ?
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Beardie's advisers have completly B******D up a well run service that did have 82% load factors !
OK so are you now saying that a long haul operator with two based heavies like Virgin Atlantic now have an anti-MAN agenda? Truth is bmi couldn't manage to make a proper success of this one year round on the A332 (BD751 / 752), it's proved too much aircraft for the VS B744s and the A333s are being used elsewhere. I would imagine the fact that the A333s are being reconfigured with more Upper Class may be an issue as in effect they're matching the LHR config across the fleet. It depends how much premium MAN-LAS sees. Anyway it was announced ages ago that this was going seasonal, I expect it will be back next summer and do equally well, the key point is that it appears to be not worth the candle in operating in the winter.
The lack of MAN-LGW connection now means the only way to get on the LGW-LAS flight is via LHR is you fly then bus it. Yes it's far from ideal but if you really want one stop MAN-LAS then you go via LHR with BA.
First world problems! Is the MAN base going to one aircraft for the winter or a daily MAN-MCO with a BGI and MCO on select days?
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The Virgin Stag and Hen party flights have been zeros after October for months already.
Certainly effected by APD and economy as most of the clientele were four day party trippers .
There has been no official statement of it going seasonal either.
Simply zeroed beyond October.
However its no surprise as others have said Leisure fleet will be one 744 down and both A333s are being re-configured to LHR Premium standard.
The Manchester operation will remain MCO daily + and the Barbados route remains.
All on 744s I believe.
Getting back to Vegas It WILL continue to be available direct from Manchester through the winter on the quasi scheduled TCX/DE operation if you still want to empty your pockets and bank balances to support those so indebted and impoverished local businesses out in the desert!
Certainly effected by APD and economy as most of the clientele were four day party trippers .
There has been no official statement of it going seasonal either.
Simply zeroed beyond October.
However its no surprise as others have said Leisure fleet will be one 744 down and both A333s are being re-configured to LHR Premium standard.
The Manchester operation will remain MCO daily + and the Barbados route remains.
All on 744s I believe.
Getting back to Vegas It WILL continue to be available direct from Manchester through the winter on the quasi scheduled TCX/DE operation if you still want to empty your pockets and bank balances to support those so indebted and impoverished local businesses out in the desert!
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Some more bad news from Lufthansa.
After the withdrawal of Berlin flights, it seems Munich looses its nightstopping flight on Saturday (depart Sunday morning) from the end of October.
Sundays sees departures to MUC at 1105 and 1725 from this date. However, there will still be a choice of 5 flights on a Sunday (2xLH 1xU2 1xZB and 1xSQ).
Also, DUS drops from 4 daily to 3 daily, and just 2 daily on Sundays.
After the withdrawal of Berlin flights, it seems Munich looses its nightstopping flight on Saturday (depart Sunday morning) from the end of October.
Sundays sees departures to MUC at 1105 and 1725 from this date. However, there will still be a choice of 5 flights on a Sunday (2xLH 1xU2 1xZB and 1xSQ).
Also, DUS drops from 4 daily to 3 daily, and just 2 daily on Sundays.
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