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Nigel,
It sounds crazy, but, with MAN having 7 confirmed new long haul routes, 1 more almost confirmed in the wings, increases on 5 others including Etihad almost doubling capacity, you can be certain Emirates are far from finished at MAN.
4 daily is no surprise, its been hinted by Emirates before, and Im lead to believe the Milan-JFK route was very close to being routed through MAN anyway, Milan just pipped us to the post.
It sounds crazy, but, with MAN having 7 confirmed new long haul routes, 1 more almost confirmed in the wings, increases on 5 others including Etihad almost doubling capacity, you can be certain Emirates are far from finished at MAN.
4 daily is no surprise, its been hinted by Emirates before, and Im lead to believe the Milan-JFK route was very close to being routed through MAN anyway, Milan just pipped us to the post.
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Given the rumours of a 4th daily EK flight, the fact DXB-MAN-JFK and other USA tag-ons were strongly hinted in the past, and now the fact the Italians have ruled that EK's DXB-MXP-JFK cannot be operated after April 1st 2015, I wonder if the idea of the MAN transit could be back on the table?
Im not suggesting its rumoured, but, one for thought.
Im not suggesting its rumoured, but, one for thought.
If that is the case then no EU nation state can currently authorise new fifth freedom services for none EU/EEA or US carriers between the EU and the USA
Serious omission if held up on appeal and Emirates are likely going to be hit with a substantial fine/damage claim on any profit made whilst operating illegally.
This would be certain effect Bimans application for Birmingham-JFK and possibly ongoing FlyNas aspirations beyond Manchester.May also effect Norwegian as a none EU carrier and be a part of the reasoning behind the shadow Irish business.
If however the issue is more prosaic and a technical issue such as forgetting to define carriage limitations as usually deemed necessary under fifth freedom we are in a different situation.
In that case Emirate may reconsider the operational transit base and Manchester could be in the frame or perhaps Dublin.
The question remains can they replace capacity at Milan with two daily terminators probably.
Would they consider a further direct non-stop JFK service certainly
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Arr understand now "Just pipped us too it" and there was me thinking you were from London and neutral
Seriously though, good for MAN, turning out to be a very successful year for them already, especially long haul with all the new routes and expansion.
I do think something has to give though in the gulf area,time will tell.
Nigel
Arr understand now "Just pipped us too it" and there was me thinking you were from London and neutral
Seriously though, good for MAN, turning out to be a very successful year for them already, especially long haul with all the new routes and expansion.
I do think something has to give though in the gulf area,time will tell.
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Seriously though, good for MAN, turning out to be a very successful year for them already, especially long haul with all the new routes and expansion.
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Possibly incorrect but I am sure the Emirates CEO sure originates from Manchester (?) which may go some way to his understanding of the market.
He mentioned a massive under untapped market to the USA from the North of England as long ago as 2 years back in a media interview.
Seemingly however it appears it isn't just UK Government protectionism (Raised by Davies Commission I may add), that may come into play, but also EEC rules !
Will be interesting to see how Flynas do re Saudi , advance bookings anybody ?
(and indeed US) ...if they get rights ?
He mentioned a massive under untapped market to the USA from the North of England as long ago as 2 years back in a media interview.
Seemingly however it appears it isn't just UK Government protectionism (Raised by Davies Commission I may add), that may come into play, but also EEC rules !
Will be interesting to see how Flynas do re Saudi , advance bookings anybody ?
(and indeed US) ...if they get rights ?
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Tim Clark was born in Dutch Antilles so quite away from Manchester, although he may have come back here later as he studied in London. As for Dubai- Man - JFK, I was on the lunchtime EK inbound last Wednesday and was talking to crew about this possibility which they actually mentioned to me in passing. Sounds great, and the Mrs Mac even more pleased, as she does a US trip once a month on a US carrier to the East Coast, and would gladly swop to EK.
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Tim Clark was born in Dutch Antilles so quite away from Manchester, although he may have come back here later as he studied in London. As for Dubai- Man - JFK, I was on the lunchtime EK inbound last Wednesday and was talking to crew about this possibility which they actually mentioned to me in passing. Sounds great, and the Mrs Mac even more pleased, as she does a US trip once a month on a US carrier to the East Coast, and would gladly swop to EK.
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It is Sir Maurice Flanagan who hails from the Manchester area. He had a long career with Emirates and was Executive Vice Chairman until his retirement just last year. He led the VIP and media group on board the first A380 to MAN in 2010.
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Possibly incorrect but I am sure the Emirates CEO sure originates from Manchester (?) which may go some way to his understanding of the market.
It is Sir Maurice Flanagan who hails from the Manchester area. He had a long career with Emirates and was Executive Vice Chairman until his retirement just last year. He led the VIP and media group on board the first A380 to MAN in 2010.
It was rumoured that EK started Manchester all those years ago so he could get home from time to time.
Great bloke, very approachable and did a great job getting through all the politics to build EK into what they are today.
So many obstacles for EK to overcome, but it's never stopped them before.
If I were them, I'd go for their thinner routes & to places not served from MAN- Like Boston and/or Montreal.
Like many, I would chose EK over most US carriers anyday.
If I were them, I'd go for their thinner routes & to places not served from MAN- Like Boston and/or Montreal.
Like many, I would chose EK over most US carriers anyday.
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EK might get problems with traffic rights on MXP-JFK. This could be moved to MAN, some say
Time will tell, but as said earlier, Emirates have not been shy in their boasts that they hold 5th freedoms to the USA and MAN would be the likely beneficiary of those 5th freedoms.
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The US carriers don't like the thought of outside competition, especially when it offers a much better product than they do (which isn't hard, although they are slowly improving). I'd imagine they will continue to kick up a fuss if EK flew MAN-US rather than MXP-US much like they have with DY/DU starting LGW-US later this year.
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LN-KGL, I believe it is indeed the Italians causing the fuss, there was a court case there not so long back that resulted in the news the route would have to end, protecting Alitalia seems more what has happened..